consider this
“why fish for food in the open sea when you can fish in a river”
Now if pilot were scannign noobs to ensure they are noobs and taking them up free, then it might work.. but i doubt any will do that… remember “the pilots are poor folk and cant do freebies”
The biggest problem for all the noobs is the price to go up there. You have to invest your ped’s you sweated to go hunting. If you @ CND its just simple you need to sweat to get back.
Imo It must be fun to sweat there but you must be able to hunt some 100s of PED
Timbo
very nice offer ND, im sure anyone up at your place that decides to sweat will be happy to see you 
Off Topic
funny how almost the same slowness is on Amethera and yet there is no plausible explanation (such as gravity) to account for it as there is on CND, eh? 
(oh wait, it goes right along w/the zoomed out map and smaller tp chip range (along w/modified coords) to make Ameth seem bigger … my bad)
Noobs on CND
I have my own event on CND called Pink Saturday.
I have reached all kinds of level hunters to
take part in this event.
And there are allways some beginner players who wanna try it out,
and they love it.
They thank me for a great event.
It’s the way you look at things,
not how you react on them.
And as ND said about buying sweat,
I’ll be more then happy to buy your sweat at a reasonable price.
All you have to do is trade me
Skilling mindforce is very doable on CND you can heal people on CND.
You can hunt with nerveblast chips.
And many things more.
Pink Pussycat Panther.
And from the day i arrived on CND (december '06) I am proud to be a part of that beautifull asteroid in space. And I allways will be, I call it home.
I agree that CND can be a lot of fun. But I must say my experience is that I have in mostly more lagg on CND than on CP or on Calypso. when big events like CL is going on I even try to avoid CND.
As a hunting noobie when I first came to CND in my Goblin, yes there where some domes that I could hunt with my Nasty opalo+103 amp combo. :laugh: I was getting bored quite fast, since I could only hunt in about 2 maybe 3 domes which brought me limited variation in mobs and environment.
As a mining noobie, I was a bit disappointed with the low prices offered for the ores and enmatters I was forced to sell due lack of storage on CND.
A RL friend of mine started at CND, and started with sweating in dome 3, the prob was he couldn’t find anyone that wanted to buy his sweat, the best offer he got was 0.4 
, I payed him a ticket down since he would need to sweat over 6K sweat just to pay his ticket down. He will return to CND once day , but for now, he will stay on calypso.
As well as the shops as I remember as a noobie where expensive as hell.
Nowadays I mostly goto CND for events or hunting those Space Bulls & huge purple chirpies in dome 16. 
As a newbie with limited budget, the costs for going up and the limited domes where you can hunt could give you a cold shower.
But if you can spare the peds , as a new player you definitely need to goto CND and explore all the nice things that are there that you can’t find on Calypso.
just my :twocents:
You don´t have to be a newcomer to have a problem with the prices to go up down IMO. Luckily i won an apartment during an event there so i have storage and can stay longer.
When you don´t have a storage up there wich i didn´t at first and you have to sell everything for under marketprice (or fly down) if u don´t want to crawl through the domes, then it´s not as funny.
i found a film someone did of some noobies thats went to cnd, here it is:
https://www.planetcalypsoforum.com/gallery/files/1/4/6/8/7/noobsinspace.JPG
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My thinking is, If you havent deposited yet or you cant afford a flight, you dont belong on CND. That being said, I have met people who came of the spaceship ready to go to CND. If i ever get a hanger I will offer free flights for noobs and I have VERY occaisonaly heard a pilot giving out flights to CND.
Danielwolfe: Who says CND is empty? there is actualy a soc that is composed of people who are nearly always on CND. As far as I know, there are at least 6 domes that a noobie could hunt in (albeit some of them would require teems). Pretty much CND is the perfect place for a newbie, there just arent any newbies there. (except me)
BTW: I think I will write a newbie guide to space for all the newbies who do manage to make it up there.
but what if newbies could choose to start at cnd , and maybe have a free flight down ticket when they create their ava ?
imagine what effect that would of had for the ‘cnd generation’ of players ?
I believe CND is well suited to newbies, but worth stretching the legs on Calypso for a little while first. CND offers a very friendly and helpful community and would be an advantage in a noobs early networking. As a noob arriving in PA you are surrounded by other noobs - as a pilot I spend alot of time standing around in the control room up there - it is interesting to see just how helpful everyone is up there - so any noob who has a question can just ask in local chat and they’ll get an answer from a player group that is in general much higher skilled than would ever hang out at PA. Most people at CND are transient - not too many that stay there permantly - so someone selling ME would do fine. I too will buy sweat when possible at the market rate.
I like to skill biotropy and Focus at CND - so if anyone does chose to sweat/ or hunt and would like a heal of focus - feel free to come see me at the control room.
Cheers,
ozi
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I think he has a point in some way… it all depends on number of newbies up there… it’s up to them but why not like some population of newbies could go there and start making a living. So market would change and everything…
Just a thought…
oh…
must have understood that wrong, sry
let’s imagine newbies would spawn there
well, first to sweating
why does Neas and swamp camp have a a lot of sweaters around, and why other players don’t?
the answer is, revival terminal
in CND is just 1 (i think), so to get back to any dome sweating, you have to tp and run several minutes to an animal, also remember the slower run speed here
a sweat attempt of concentrating and and sweating itself takes 12 seconds, so you miss 5 attempts every minute you have to run
hence, less sweat per hour, therefore, useless for sweaters
and that doesn’t even mean that there is absolutely no use for ME or sweat up there
healers tend to stay at revival terminals, and not going out with groups (more meat to skill on at one place), so the healers might indeed be there, but not where they should be, out with the newbies, to make their sweating faster
why?
because most of them buy and sell something at the control room, what basically leads to the fact that healers are that long there, as long they can do keep their business up at the same time
but, it is about depositers, so let’s ignore all the newbies who start without depositing, and consider sweating first (99%)
so, let’s go to the 1% who starts to deposit right away
to the more experienced players who answer questions
there are often people at the newbie arrival zone in PA, who indeed try to answer questions (besides, if you fly up just to get advice, this is not “free” at all, it cost 20-25 ped usually, without tax later on to try the tactics)
but let’s ignore that too
now, you might call me old fashioned, or not, but one thing PE had, EU starts a bit to lack of sometimes, but it is still here, is
Freedom
Freedom of choice, wether to mine or to hunt or to craft, or just to chat
also the choice to buy clothes
and also the choice to hunt and mine at taxed land or not
this choice you don’t have up there
when you deposited up there, get your opalo and start to hunt daikis or
whatever small there might be, you pay tax
always
now, you might say “but ND is offering a service!”
then, come down from CND, go to swamp camp, run a bit north, and see another nice daiki spawn
around 1 min max away from a revival terminal, with healers almost 24/7
better run speed, and no tax
don’t get this wrong, CND has indeed advantages, none for which i would go there, to be honest, i haven’t been there since several months, due to hilarious ticket prices up, and my first time impression of it, but I try to stay objective
CND is as soon good, when you want to hunt stuff that doesn’t exist on the planet (whole 2 mobs, which needs pretty good equimpent), or in other maturities than you have on the planet (pluma stalkers etc.), but this is not useful for newbies, so i let them out
it is ALSO a nice place for miners, but newbie miners could go bankrupt soon and leave pretty fast, since they are simply not prepared, nor have some mining tactics developed on “cheaper” grounds (i don’t mean tax here, i mean the claim/bomb ratio)
so for now, i see no advantage for newbies because
-the sweating situation is bad, just in terms of revival terminal position
-you take the freedom of choice to hunt at a taxed area away
-if you finally have them up there and they considered to scratch 20-25 ped together, they are up, but can’t go down that easily
-the storage situation
for newbie miners horrible (first tax, hilarious weight, so you are forced to sell to lower prices, i know already 1 person who makes a nice profit out of this, funny that most ppl dislike this kind of trading, which forces other ppl to sell at too low prices, but still encourage it here)
for sweaters hilarious bad too, sweat starts to get heavy, same for dung, fruit
it would just be a matter of time to have the first sweat and ME reseller over there (buying sweat at 0.4 and nexus at 120% or whatever), if you do that enough a nice gain can come out
not just that you even spend tax to get the nexus, or to spend tax when you choose a hunting career as sweater up there
hunters depends, animal oil isn’t that heavy, but enough hides etc and it starts to cause problems
-the lack of auction
you can’t sell ores etc. not to ppl at the planet without a funny shipment fee
this leads to the point above basically (additional to the storage)
it also effectively bars you from having access to items which come from the planet, hence cutting your market options down dramatically
“but there are shops!”
oh, yes, i have seen funny shops on the planet too, often around 1% above the price at auction (it is actually fun, as soon an item rises in value, the shops adjust prices in lightspeed; as soon it falls, it takes a bit longer, can be months :P)
otherwise said, you are forced to buy in shops there, or from ppl at the control room, which cuts the market down, which can, and usually does, lead to unfair situations
now, let me do a little loop to eco, which basically means, that you get as much as possible from a firm amount of cash
there are so many many people who buy amps at hilarious prices, so many many people who argue about every % on their breer or whatever, to get a little inch more eco, means more mobs killed for 100 ot whatever amount of peds back
but they are volunatary give 4% away (for the service, i know, as i said, it can be worth it), and also can sell their stuff for less cash, since not all the market is open for them (auction shipping cost) and maybe even have to pay more in shops
you get less return, sell that return for less, and use it to pay more for L items?
hope you don’t discuss about eco anytime soon
CND is good when you know that (what newbies wouldn’t if they spawn there)
when you accept that (what newbies would be forced to when they spawn there)
when you want to hunt unique creatures or unique maturities of those
when you are curious to see it
when you mine and are sure about the risks you are taking
when you know a pilot (i am not too sure of not most of those who are that often at CND don’t have a good friend who flies for free sometimes)
when you find resources with acceptable markup which pay for the tax (as long you fly down to sell them in most of the cases)
when you are a trader who wants to buy at better prices :deal:
when you like the athmosphere
when you like the ppl up there
several of these points can just be seen when you went there once
so yes, newbies should go to CND, see if they like it
but not from start, and not without clear information about it
and i mean here not just all this “nice daiki spawn”, “you get free and good info from advanced players”
might be true, but you can find it elsewhere
and you can risk quite much money or volunatary pass on it for something that can be found elsewhere too, similar, cheaper, better, taxfree… (more eco)
and that other pieces of information, the actual cost, shouldn’t be kept quiet
one thing keep me on Calypso is the Sun.
I can see it when I need.
Can I see the sun @ CND??
:D:D:D:D
It’s joking.
:yay:
The fee is too high about 40ped to fligh and come back.
Another reason is most of the player I know stay in calypso and newbie event is offten on Amethara.Can I find newbie event on CND or just for pro??
If someone give me a ticket to fligh,I’ll try my best on CND. It means only need 20ped for a chance
I’m not pro,not newbie. I’m just a normal player who alway worry about the wallet and friendship
I agree.. CND is very laggy unfortunatly
And it is a good place for newbies, as most of you ponit out.
Great you wen’t there anyway Arrowpoint, even you were told it was a bad place for n00bs.. even better you had a great experience
Dia
Personally I think it’s half a dozen of one and six of the other There are good and bad points for newbies on both planet and CND, it really depends on the player and what they enjoy. MA can and should do more to make CND more playable for all, but especially for the newcomers, so many of whom originally came into entropia because they read or heard about CND in the first place (thanks to ND’s tireless efforts at promotion of the game at his own expense).
The one thing that no one else has mentioned here for newbies though is that the skilling in the domes seems to go faster. I have no explanation for it, I was told this when I was still in oj, something to do with the low gravity or something, so I finished my graduation requirements on rifle in the domes, and yes it seemed to fly by. I passed that tip on to others who also found it the same and were happy as pie to finish rifle so fast.
That in itself was well worth spending the ped to get up and back after a nice long visit.
Tax is 5,5% on CND and not 4%
personally i think that statement “space is no place for newbies” is put out of context here
because it existed prior the creation of CND already and is ment for CP
this thread so far only deals about CND and i agree you can play as a newbie on cnd bit harder perhaps but is possible
those aurli on cp on the other hand are pretty tough even for a team of newbies
yup I was very impressed at complete lack of lag last time I camped there for 2 weeks