Hello, I am a returning player to eu. I been gone a long time, so maybe this is not important. I noticed a player that pirated me all the time is hanging around alot lately. He seemed to make a home inside another society, which I am sure they don’t know he pirates. I haven’t been to space sense getting back, so don’t know if he still even does but did want to warn other players or is pirates not a thing anymore?
they changed the area around the stations to non pvp so much of the pirating that used to happen doesn’t anymore, it still exists though
Quite a few pirates seem to have left after MA altered the layout of space, or at least taken a break, some have crept back recently. Not all are still in or ever have been in NVE. There are also one or two that seem to have given up piracy though still active in space as transport providers or hunters in the new mission. To avoid the usual naming rules on forum please PM me and I will confirm if I can any recent known activity.
Pirating is not scam, not against game rules, why would naming rule apply?
Saying XY is pirate, is like saying XY is a crafter.
Both are valid ingame professions.
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Piracy in space has dwindled to almost null since MA did 2 things:
- Fixed the diagonal flying exploit that allowed pirates to catch up to other Quads in space (2018?)
- Created large safe (non-lootable) zones around all Planets (2019?)
It’s still possible to loot other players in space since these changes were made but it is much much harder, so because of that, Space is much safer to travel through. However, a word of caution, just pay attention while flying through space if you are carrying lootables, don’t just set your course and go afk, you might fly right into a pirate camp and get killed and looted, this has happened to me.
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Even so there can be bad connotations to being called a pirate - especially if that accusation is made secretly, without giving the accused any right of reply.
Granny Rowan if you are going to accuse someone of being a pirate, at the very least you should tell the person you accused what you have done.
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Firstly I have not accused anyone of piracy the OP did, I merely advised caution over naming as pirates have cried foul before and doubtless will again, however legitimate their activities are in the context of the game (except when using exploits ofc)
As the OP made the accusation it is for them to name who they are speaking of, not me, as I would need to repeat part of a private conversation without their permission.
So before throwing your accusations around please check the facts
Granny, I did not toss any accusations, I was offering some (gratuitous I admit) advice that IF you accuse anybody of piracy, THEN you should advise the accused what you did. I am assuming that both conversations (you to the OP and you to the “accused”) would be private.
Why should I bother re sticking my nose into this. Well it happened to me once - I joined a Society, everything looked good - then I was kicked out of that Society. When I finally contacted the leader of that society he told me that he was contacted by people who advised him that I was a pirate.
I deeply dislike the occupation of piracy (even though it is part of the game) I have never been a pirate, never looted anybody as I consider that theft.
The “leader” of that Society never bothered to contact me to ask me to show cause - to say I was deeply hurt and angered puts it mildly, even now a long while later I still feel anger.
I guess the reason why that Soc leader acted as he did was because the person offering that information was somebody he trusted - fellow ship owner or something like that maybe. I have received advice by others of players it could have been - and I have no idea who it was.
So Granny, you even hint at advising someone in private about the character of another player I assume that you would advise the person who you are referring to as well.
Hey if you like I will let you know (privately of course) the name of the person who I was told contacted that soc leader
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Everyone can be a crafter but it takes a certain type of character to be a professional thief, to kill others and steal from them as a source of income. Yeah it was game mechanics, sure, everyone could have done it, it’s just very few chose robbery as main or even only activity.
Gonna add, and will be done with the subject, that I believe planet PVP3 & 4 are something totally different. There’s a fight for resources there, while in space was camping the door taking advantage of non PVPers that just forgot to empty all their inventories, or just everyone having to show their pockets to bullies in the backyard 
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All loot ingame in one mob for me would be a great Loot 3.0
I read so much where people apparently don’t know what certain phrases mean in different places. In British English, the phrase “If you are going to do x” often means that the action has already happened at least once. It is not merely something somebody else might be planning for the future. It’s also something the person saying it probably disapproves of, coupled with the (gratuitous) advice to “at least do y as well”, or to not be surprised if z happens.
I admit, however, that I have never seen this form of conditional mentioned in any grammar books or learning material. Not even the distinction between the “I’m flying/going to fly” usage for future plans gets much discussion, so combining “going to” with a conditional, whilst extremely common in English, might be considered L100+ familiarity with the English language.
Maybe there should be a thread for “Misunderstandings in English” to help people sort things out when things go pear-shaped linguistically (pear-shaped = downhill, possibly from a pear looking like gravity has been doing overtime on it). What do people think: is there room for the funny side of disagreements?
I do not care if you post out of PM. None of it is a lie or false. It is better that everyone knows who this pirate is and what he has done to countless others.
I have not posted name here only cause I am unsure if naming a pirate is against the rules of forum
well i guess if naming on forums insnt allowed but its apparently ok to discuss others behind their backs in pms etc then i would just like to say that in my opinion there is unfortunately only 1 thing worse than being a victim of a pirate and possibly losing your loots … and thats the fake good guys that attach the pirate label to others they consider rivals or a threat… or just dont like them lol in an attempt to intentionally sabotage others reputations to suit their own agenda..
they go about it in clever ways tho with carefully worded manipulated text or videos and use them in game or other chat media etc
1 of these people i caught doing so among a group of sweaters and from what i hear from other sweaters this guy had been going on for a good 30mins before i arrived, going on and on about a rival ship and crew and what evil pirate scum they are and any associated with them are also… and sharing propaganda links of videos etc with them. he even accused me of being a pirate right in front of them and said he would gladly loot me and any1 he classifies as a pirate in his book lol
i get that there are rivalries in game but this kind of behavior is disgusting and i would have thought it would be against the rules or even illegal lol
i dont care about some stupid space war between 2 or more ships thats being going on for over a decade or whatever i just want to enjoy the game with whoever i like and have fun.. not have to justify myself or suffer from brainwashing control freaks trying to make me pick their side or else they will go to such extreme lengths to try and sabotage my reputation
who knows what damage people like this have done to others over the years with their petty hate agendas.. in my opinion they should be held accountable and warned if they dont stop this kind of behavior action will be taken possibly even a ban
i dont need to name any names but most will know more or less exactly what people im referring to and with any luck they will mess up or cross the wrong people 1 day and karma will catch up to them ;]
i dunno what i feel more towards them … disgust or pity lol i mean seriously get over yourselves and try enjoying the game its meant to be a fun enjoyable experience for all of us… petty rumors, backstabbing and hatred isnt good for anybody or the game.. unless you really are sad lowlifes that get off on it and use it intentionally to gain some sort of an advantage
hopefully most people do have a brain and can think for themselves and not fall for these tactics i thought it strange when it was done to me when i was a noob and just started ..why are these people trying to force this info on me over and over? what do they gain from it? why are they doing it? do they really have my best interests at heart?.. well if it were just to help keep me safe and not carry loots and be careful in space etc that would have been fine but to name societies and ships and go out of their way with it?.. i think its a bit much and crossing the line forcing it on new players and any who will listen .. for me at that time it didnt take long to quickly come to a conclusion / theory when i found another large ship that offered free travel and skilling compared to the other ship where travel is not free and they even charge their crew if they wish to get off at other planets so i hear lol ..so it seemed pretty obvious its about the ped ..such a rival ship is a direct threat to their earnings after all u cant beat free right? lol
so thats my advice is dont believe everything u read, hear or see and ask yourself ..who gains from this? what is their motivations or reasons? etc
its not usually in my nature to not like or hate anyone… i dont even like or dislike pirates or looters lol but i do despise fake good guys pushing hateful agendas and trying to manipulate others and pretending they have other players best interests at heart when really its about how much ped they can make off of them lol
ok..that turned out more to be a rant than i thought lol anyways enjoy the game guys n gals have fun
JJ ;]
Edit: to avoid confusion and people jumping co conclusions im not the person the op is refering to.. im not still a pirate , not a pirate , nor ever will be a pirate lol
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As I said before, the person that has the name of the pirate, is the OP. You are all as capable as I am of asking for yourselves. In this particular case I told the OP that as far as I am aware the named person is no longer a pirate and has not been for some considerable time. I will therefore not name them here as see no point in damaging the new rep they are building. (Please note the ex-pirate is not nor ever has been a member of my crew or society so I have no axe to grind) Just feel if a person wants a clean start that raking over old coals is unhelpful. So quit with the accusations, I simply tried to answer the guys question without a forum drama, yet you simply could not resist.
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hmm .. i cant resist?..
annd its ok for players who represent your crew to go about creating drama and making accusations about me and others
in public as well as threats?
i didnt start this or do anything, but i really hope that any information you keep about pirates and their activities has been
at least personally verified as authentic by you, and with independent others with actual proof and doesnt come from people like this?
as any information that u may be be spreading in private messages or otherwise could be factually incorrect and causing
damage to innocent peoples reputation as it spreads from pm to pm like a grapevine virus and about 1000 or more people
probably believe this information to be true as they think its coming from trusted sources
this is what im trying to warn people against, which is some blindly trusting what others tell them and assume it to be true
and in turn spreading this information even further etc
so what happens if someone asks u about me is JJ a pirate? if my name is on your list (which it probably is) and the information
has come from from just such a unreliable source that u think u can trust and is the 1 who is making public accusations about me
then according to the things hes telling people which are..
i am part of the core crew of this enemy ship and thus a pirate = nope, wrong im not core crew i am part time repair crew and pilot
im not even in the same soc lol
i have been pirating and disrupting space services = again wrong i have done no pirating and certainly have not been disrupting
any space services
so if u were to be passing this on by any means even if its just a pm then ur information is inaccurate and false and my reputation
is being damaged even more as a result, and even further as more and more people tell each other
it is not ok to drag peoples names thru the mud trying to tarnish their reputation by any means be it publicly, privately, in pm
or any other medias especially if they are innocent, imo this is a far worse crime than piracy and it is disgusting unacceptable
behavior and these people should be held accountable for their actions and damages they have caused over the years
its hard to try and remain civil when 1 min u think every thing is fine u have no issue with the captain or the crew
have done trades with them used their warp services now n then and even helped the person who all of a sudden i found
out is my enemy apparently, and has been saying all this crap about me behind my back and publicly and threatening to
shoot and loot me lol… so err yeh cos of this bad egg trying to drag my name thru the mud and others hes done it to u also i know
i wont be helping him again thats for damn sure, and i cannot trust a warp service when any crew member that represents it
has declared me a enemy and would shoot and loot me, and now im questioning captain who would allow their crew to behave this way
and the authenticity of any information she is passing on to other people
some are probably thinking i should have just reported him or approached his captain directly but can any here honestly say
that anything would be done and that anything i said would be believed ? well sorry i dont share that same faith i think it would
have been just brushed under the rug of idgaf and people like this would continue to get away with the stuff they are doing
this way i have been heard and im hoping this captain is not also a bad egg and will toss the rotten egg into the trash where
it belongs lol yeh unfortunately u get bad eggs everywhere and some might not even be aware they are in their soc or crew
or what they get up to
u request me to cut the crap and the accusations/drama? well then please inform ur crew who are publicly making accusations about me
and others to do the same plz? since i cant name names il refer to him as player M. i think that should be sufficient enuff for u
to work out who it was and he was located at planet arkadia cleste outpost between 2020-09-21 23:09:03 - 2020-09-21 23:38:49
the 1st time is when i arrived but based on what some of the sweaters had been saying he had been at this a good 30mins before i even
arrived bad mouthing the enemy ship and crew and then started on me, anyway im done with this for now if u want more than that and
it is ok to show u the evidence and reveal his name then i will 1st need permission from an official, tho im hoping there will be no need
to take things any futher and u will bring ur crew into line and stop this kind of behaviour from happening in the future
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Whether a private message is here in forum or in game or in discord or an e-mail has nothing to do with what its content may or may not be, and certainly damn all to do with you or anyone else.. because it is private.
It would seem to me that since this game and this forum have provided the means for us to speak privately when we so choose, confers a right to do so. Can you put your hand on your heart and say you have never private messaged anyone, should you now tell us all everything you ever said about us. Grow up.
I have every right to private message when I wish to, as does everyone here. If the recipient believes they want to share what is said I am fine with that.
Next time you jump on your high horse however, consider this, was my reply aimed at you ?
and incidentally I was not discussing others behind their backs or yours. The OP asked for an opinion, I answered with my opinion. He can use that information or not as he chooses.
As for persons who crew on Kronan, they are all grown adults and I do not censor them or treat them like children. So if you have a problem with them, speak to them as only they can be persuaded by you argument and proofs if you have them.
Well, I can honestly say I think the situation would have been considered, but the lack of approaching a captain makes it entirely possible that said captain knows nothing at all about the incident (or rather, not until now). It’s not a criticism of your decision not to get in touch, just something to bear in mind if your case is sincere.
A lot of ‘code’ gets written to try and communicate stuff without naming names. In this particular thread I can at least piece together who this is not about to some extent… and for me your particular story was a new one.
So it is not Sinner you are talking about, he has openly come out of the closet here in the forum do he’s name is ok to write
I thought the naming thing was only for scamming accusations. However, once you name someone involving anything negative it instantly becomes a personal dispute, which is also not allowed.