Serious mentor problem

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I got a mentor the first day I started PE, I think. That first day, and the day after were the only times I saw him until at least three weeks after. By that time I had learned what a mentor was SUPPOSED to do, and what is in it for a mentor if the disciple is serious (which I am). I contacted him and asked him to kick me (after we had a long chat about how he didn’t help me one bit, he was never on when I was (and we’re from pretty much the same timezone). He got verbally abusive when I told him the plain truth (and I was quite polite, simply stating facts). After the 20th fk and ahole, I just left and (stupidly) erased him from my friends list. I however was still on his, and he was on now more than ever before! I know this because an avalanche of abuse was directed at me via PM, and there’s no escaping this, you need to open it to see who it’s from.

I contacted support, and after some prodding they told me I needed to make screendumps, after which they could take action. Mysteriously, although they said they could do nothing until then, the abuse stopped, and my ‘mentor’ never contacted me again, which was a huge improvement. I had never responded ONCE to his attempts at insult.
Last week we ran into each other (I scanned him and I outrank him now!), and he tried to chat, but I refused. He pm’d me (in a polite way), but I ignored him. I am convinced Support talked to him.

But they refuse to make him kick me. And I want to use skill chips. Which you can’t if you’re still a disciple. I am not far off from ‘graduation’ so it’s not that bad, but it really irks me that this nasty person gets rewarded for taking advantage of a noob, getting away with weeks of abuse where he should have been helping me, and I don’t even have the option of ignoring him. I fully understand that disciples can be just as big a pain to mentors, but there should be a system where - if there is not complete mutual satisfaction - the relationship can be broken off by either party. I am now effectively being held back in skilling and improving by the one person who SHOULD be responsible for me gaining in skills! It is ridiculous.

MA support’s unofficial intervention (which I am sure took place) helped a bit, but really only masked the problem. My ‘mentor’ (which should have ‘tor’ as a prefix) still gets rewarded for my graduation, which will happen despite, not thanks to his efforts. And in spite of my ability to shrug off idiots like these, something doesn’t sit right when I think of that happening. And MA’s attitude is not helping.

Just needed to get this off my chest. Thx for listening. And let it be a warning to noobs choosing a mentor. You have three days (which is way too short to kick him. After that, you are stuck, whereas your mentor can kick you at anytime. So beware.

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im sorry to hear that… if its any comfort, its hard to get good diciples too…

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Yeah, but you can kick those if you don’t like them. There’s a power imbalance there, see?

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I’m very sorry to hear this. It really stinks that there are such idots in the game-but there are. You can just wait around for support to kick you or what ever, just do as they say and don’t “graduate” untill they do something.

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I am sorry to hear this too, what is his name? Your mentor?

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I have a nice mentor, he helped me get started and all and he is friendly if he ever happens to be online, so I don’t begrudge him his items at all, even if he never is online. I DO hope I am a better mentor myself, though I am better at being friends than being tutor :slight_smile: Still am a disciple myself thou, I love doing new things, so I intend to graduate with all weapons above 1600 just because I can. I hope he doesn’t begrudge my slowness, but I think he doesn’t :slight_smile:

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Its really sad that this happends. Nevertheless it happends often. Thats one reason for me to create The School of Lootius. A lot of new players stop because of scam from their mentors - and I will call it scamming, as you cant do a thing about it. The mentor is rewarded yes - but the meaning is also - that the mentor provides a service. In this case, you didnt get the advice and prof service you should have had. Som the scamming part is because you “pay” the mentor when graduating - but you didnt get anything in return.

Maybe the reason for not being able to kick the mentors after 3 days is, that many mentors give their disciples a newbie-kit to beginn with. Some even give their disciples money, armor, graduation-levels gifts - and I know from myself, that I and the other mentors of SoL offers our disciples a lot to be sure they have a nice and joyfull discipleship-periode. It really sucks, when you give a new disciple equipment, and see him kick you and then find a new mentor to get new free stuff! SoL even offer the disciple to join our society during the time, because its important to have good friends (other disciples), your mentor and other qualified people around you to help, while you find out what PE is about. But not all mentors have that possibility.

Im sorry to say, that you cant do a thing about this - and it might seem unfair that you cant kick him (but I dont think it is concerning the reasons above). But yes, it is SO important for the newbies to look around for a mentor and NOT just take the first the best who asks them, when they land in PA (or wereever they are starting game).

For newbies: Talk to other people about wellknown and respected mentors - the best thing is to read this forum. A lot of trustfull and helpfull people are offering their help and advice!

Dbelinfante, I hope you have a lot of good friends/socmembers to help you, when you need it. Just skill, graduate - be uber and forget him.

Lootius blessings on your way!
Lykke

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there is a power imbalance, but it needs to bee there :confused:
you see, there are more “bad” deciples than bad mentors, and if serious mentors had all their deciples leave them once they thought they had learned enough about the game to do good by themselves, they would be discouraged from mentoring, which is bad.
There are a few bad mentors out there who abuse people like your mentor did, but compared to the number of “deciples” who just want free peds, they’re the minority…
best thing to do really is finding a real and serious mentor from the beginning :frowning:

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I am not sure naming him is a good idea. The problem with him as far as the abuse goes is over because he’s been warned (I’m sure of that) and my discipleship also is nearly over.
If more people want to know his name, I’ll tell, because he is still playing, and I see no reason why (other than the abuse) he would change his ways.

So I’ll put it to a vote. If more posters want to know his name, you got it.

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This is why we need some sort of reputation system in the game!!! :wise:

The disciple would be able to + or - rep the mentors actions, and fill out a short form after finishing his discipleing period regarding the over all experience of the period.

It’s then important that the rep is shown in some easy to understand way for other people, especially for new commers that are beeing asked if they whant a mentor! :wise:

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[QUOTE=dbelinfante]
I am not sure naming him is a good idea. The problem with him as far as the abuse goes is over because he’s been warned (I’m sure of that) and my discipleship also is nearly over.
If more people want to know his name, I’ll tell, because he is still playing, and I see no reason why (other than the abuse) he would change his ways.

So I’ll put it to a vote. If more posters want to know his name, you got it.
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I say name him. Someone reading this thread might know who he is, maybe even know him well, and could have a quiet word with him trying to persuade him to kick you before you graduate.

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File a support case and ask MA to remove him as your mentor. Include your previous support case about the abuse and they are likely to oblige.

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i say dont sweat it man. Just focus on you and enjoying the game. So what some looser gets a crappy mentor gift or even a good one. Dont let it bother you. There are plenty of nice people in PE try to find them and make some good friends and HAVE FUN!

Dont let the idiots of pe get you down try and focus on the many many cool people in pe.

if you still need help PM me or add me my msn messenger rexthementor@hotmail.com i take in diciples that have bad mentors and teach and help them still.

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I’d say don’t name him. Not to protect him, but to protect the site. Once people start name-and-shame-wars it will only grow, killing all normal conversation, wich is what we should be doing.

I don’t like the reputation system. It is too easy to abuse. Still I’d like to be able to gauge someone’s reputation, but can’t think of a foolproof system to set it. Maybe a trust system the google way… where you can grade people after you have had them for a week on your FL and have either exchanged a number of messages or spent time close to each other/ in team for a longer period of time. Trusted uebers are trusted by more people, so their vote of trust is worth much more than a vote of trust from a noob like me, unless I got a lot of trusted friends.

People with high reputation would get more privileges in the event system as well (would be allowed to organize bigger events and/or have a global message advertising it).

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If you’ve almost graduated and he hasnt helped you at all

[SIZE=5]KICK HIM[/SIZE]

that is all.

No reason for him to get a reward if he hasnt done anything.

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[QUOTE=Merel]
I’d say don’t name him. Not to protect him, but to protect the site. Once people start name-and-shame-wars it will only grow, killing all normal conversation, wich is what we should be doing.
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I agree with Merel. + rep Merel

[QUOTE=dutch chap]
File a support case and ask MA to remove him as your mentor. Include your previous support case about the abuse and they are likely to oblige.
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I also agree with dutch chap. + rep for you too.

[QUOTE=Heartbeat]
The disciple would be able to + or - rep the mentors actions, and fill out a short form after finishing his discipleing period regarding the over all experience of the period.

It’s then important that the rep is shown in some easy to understand way for other people, especially for new commers that are beeing asked if they whant a mentor! :wise:
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I also agree with Heartbeat.(I’m an agreeable guy aint I?) + rep Heartbeat
Good Luck :tiphat:

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[QUOTE=Heartbeat]
This is why we need some sort of reputation system in the game!!! :wise:

The disciple would be able to + or - rep the mentors actions, and fill out a short form after finishing his discipleing period regarding the over all experience of the period.

It’s then important that the rep is shown in some easy to understand way for other people, especially for new commers that are beeing asked if they whant a mentor! :wise:
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Excellent idea, +rep Heartbeat. Create support case, post the #, and we can all create our own support case “+rep”-ing it.

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I like the +rep ingame and filling out a support case now :slight_smile:

With regards to your mentor ask him for half the value of the item he gets. I dont want to condone his actions he/she is bang out of order but you should be able to benefit aswell :slight_smile:

When he PM’s (if) re-add him to your friend list or reply asking him for half the value if he refuses I say send another support case to remove them

also I think you should name them we could do with a thread or list of people that do this sort of thing and dont help, so others know who to avoid ingame and dont make the same mistakes.

well thats my two pecs regards :slight_smile:

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[QUOTE=rotten ice]

also I think you should name them we could do with a thread or list of people that do this sort of thing and dont help, so others know who to avoid ingame and dont make the same mistakes.

well thats my two pecs regards :slight_smile:
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I don’t like the naming thing, sorry. The reason I don’t like naming in this case is that what some disciples see as nice help, others see as shit. I don’t want my name on a list like that just because some lazy bastard didn’t get the gun or axe he was begging for over and over again, while I was trying to show him how to get to places, sweat and so on. :frowning:

Sorry, but I say NO NAMING!!! :wise: