New player trying my hand at mining after reading a lot and thinking I could at least break even and gain skills with a 92-95% return and reasonable auction technique. Deposited about $350, downloaded LBML, and went to town.
Chipped in enough skill to max the F-101. In 2,000 drops of ore + enmatter with the F-101, I’ve only gotten a return of ~84.23%, which feels like robbery. Is it always this bad?
Having little exposure to mining, but yeah, I’d guess that’s normal, if not slightly on the low end
You say you chipped in enough to max the F101. Maxing skill for a tool =/= looter skills. What’s your prospector and surveyor profession levels (P->Resource Collecting). The higher those are the better the returns are, over a long time, over a large turnover. Though they should in theory never surpass 100% return, which is why you need MU from the mined ores / enm to make up for it
Happy to be corrected by someone more versed in the subject
92-95% is the usual now with ANY finder
BUT
MA changed it again
IF you mine where some 1 has just mined at the same spots … you’ll lucky to get 84% now and mostly get only fillers depending the time in between
BUT
You will get it back if you keep mining.
Count with averages and not for a few runs.
You still can make profit/break even if you mine in places that contain high % after sales and chips will not tell you that nor where to mine best.
Check out this thread pls
And check my mining log in my signature if you like that gives some tips every month after 25 years of mining.
Wait, is this true? I thought those were just for unlocking different finders. I might be wrong but I thought it was shown a long time ago that skills don’t impact return in mining.
Why do you think so many miners with high skills and very expensive gear have stopped mining … + the fact there is no longer a market in sales… or just a little market left.
They dont.
Not worth it though , if you use Mining AMP basicly big lost unless you have 1000m+ finder else you just drop your money into another players spots over and over and most of the resource can’t even found LOL , and lastly if not (10 PED Into $1 USD) i don’t even know what this game selling point are 
Yes mining is this bad, multiple bugs have been reported to Mindark regarding multiple finders not working the way that I feel that they should. What I would do is if you are not happy with the hit rate, wait about 15 minutes or switch areas.
I do find the waiting or switching areas quite boring and it just takes away engagement from the game.
What ever you do, dont listen to this guys.
He knows nothing about mining.
Best of luck!
What you just did is a classic ad hominem abusive, literally zero argumentation, just an attempt to discredit the other person. You’re claiming he knows nothing about mining even though you don’t have a single mining global yourself and have only been playing for a few months, while he’s had an account here on the forum since 2005. I really hope MA eventually implements an AI chat and forum moderator, because it’s quite good at cleaning this kind of trolling.
Really isn’t that hard to figure out R4tt3xx doesn’t know what he is talking about… since you are so keen at pointing out the longevity of his account you would see that he is completely out of touch with how mining works.
yeah and look at his posting history
the forums would be better off without his constant pumping of falsehoods and shit theories
No, it is not. Remember to take mining challenges from rdi representative- it will give you award- prospecting, mining, surveying and ground assessment.
( https://www.planetcalypsoforum.com/forum/index.php?threads/mining-challenges.221396/ ). If you do mine chose between ore and en matter at the beginning your journey in mining dont do both, when dropping a bomb. check area where you want to mine, what you can find there the most at mining blog.
And yes, like others said- time when you mine is important too.
don’t give up, and yes you can feel like is robbery, but there is ups and downs and sometimes no loot if servers don’t work normal.
Have tried, in multiple posts. It is pointless to continue hit my head to the brick wall.
Hope none of the new player listen to him.
He’s been here 20 years learned nothing or adapted to the changes. What he got to show for it beside complaining?
IF you would check my hunting logs instead of EL which can’t be trusted these days since it does not record everything. You would understand that i am man of data, proof and honesty.
Just to add amount of globals and hofs tell you nothing about how succesful someone is.
It tells you only that person has either cycled alot or gambled alot.
Hunting, Mining and Crafting all work the same.
TT in TT out, MU decide your loss, break even or profit.
Best of luck and happy hunting! ?
I disagree.. his topics contains a lot of useful information. It usually comes from people trying to explain it in as simple words as possible in hopes that something will stick.
They have occasionally also started interesting discussions in an otherwise pretty dead topic (mining, that is)
I think that claiming we as a community would be better off without something/someone is both dangerous and untrue. There is always a takeaway for someone from any discussion. I think that we should value this.
Everything is bad when you are not in a payback period and you wont hit any multi. Every craft on big amps i do is 1000-2000 TT loss on each 100 clicks.
I usually wouldn’t recommend chipping in and you’d normally skill up and learn a bit in that short time in takes to max it out. That’s better than chipping in for more advanced finders though, so I wouldn’t worry too much there.
With that said, maxing out the finder wouldn’t affect your TT. At that depth, you probably wouldn’t be getting much change in MU, but resource type is what’s affected by depth. TT for the most part isn’t affected by equipment in mining unless you’re talking about excavator eff/pec, and that’s not a huge component.
First though, it’s not unheard of to get near 85% TT over that many drops. With just the way averages work, most may be in that 92-95% range, but you’re going to get some outside that range. Back when mining MU was better, the MU would at least get you closer to break-even so that while you may still be losing ped for awhile, you could keep cycling.
While it’s not entirely known how the lootpool works, you can see trends on global trackers like Entropia Life (when it was still active at least, not sure if Entropia Central has this yet). Sometimes overall mining loot would be down during parts of the week or you might see multi-week trends. As to how that works I won’t hazard I guess, but you definitely can end up in longer-term downswings. That doesn’t really address that certain areas/servers may have poorer TT return than others for a time, but that’s at least where you can see if you’re getting say 20-30 NRFS, that may be a sign to stop and mine elsewhere. You can’t really time when TT returns are going to be really good, but it does help to keep an eye on when to take a break for a bit rather than pushing through in an area.
Hopefully that gives you a few ideas on what could be affecting your TT returns that aren’t entirely in our control. It could be you were in a server that for whatever reason was stingy that really drove the average down. Sometimes all it takes is one global/hof and then things even out.
You’re right. I don’t think that is true either. I don’t have them too high and I had around 99% tt return from mining last year(probably a little bit inflated because I also did some hunting and returns there were lower), still 95% easily, but count it over 5k+ PED spent, usually it averages out before that if you mine unamped(amped might be more since you cycle more faster).