Hello Dear forum.
Today i had very bad feeling, when one of Mod 2350 fapers wrote me this :
Fapper: all ok?
mg Joda: [77421, 66922, 154]
Fapper: no more ME…must fly
Fapper: ll need 5 min break
mg Joda: kk
mg Joda: u go
Fapper: ok
mg Joda: i change armor and hunt while u not here
Fapper: ok..thk
mg Joda: [77517, 66830, 152]
Fapper: need to go in 10
mg Joda: [77404, 66902, 154]
mg Joda: kk
mg Joda: calc how much i own
Fapper: 49.83 ped decay
Fapper: gl
mg Joda: u2
mg Joda: hi avible?
Fapper: well…kinda would be…but math with u is very bad…i get more peds sweating kerb than healing u with mod…
mg Joda: nvm
Fapper: sure…gl…no hard feelings…its just..i use me and fuel and mod is 10k to buy…so…1.7 ped/ doesnt pay for all my expenses…
Fapper: i cant affort to go in -
mg Joda: [mg Joda]: calc how much i own
mg Joda: i not asked what is decay
mg Joda: but nvm
Fapper: as we bith remember u tipped me 5 peds for almost 3 h…and u dont owe me naything
mg Joda: [Fapper]: no more ME…must fly
Fapper: i told u..the decay…but all ok
mg Joda: kk
mg Joda: gl
Fapper: same
After this conversation i felt so bad, i decided to ask community if my thinking about fappers are wrong :
Fanoos → decay + tip(1-5p/h)
Adjusted / Mod 2350 : Decay or Decay +10p/h
Mod 2600 : mostly Decay but can be 10p/h
imp Fap : 50p/h
Mod fap : 60p/h
If a guy ask for 10p/h +decay - you don’t need give a tip, but mostly round value of peds.
if guy asks for decay + tips ? what is TIP ? are TIP has a value ?? since if i find a guy with fap that say fapping for decay , and after all , round peds adding 5 ped on overall decay .
Than guy forces me feel like a scammer. So i want to know if my thinking about “tips” are wrong?
Tips are, and always should be, optional. They should resemble a few things: the service provided, the friendliness of the person, and (for me at least) the result of my hunting run. I explain to my fapper that my tip is directly related to the result of my hunt. I will gladly pay decay + reasonable fee, but I can’t afford to keep throwing PED on top to the fapper, especially if I have a terrible run. I make sure to be generous during good runs, but I try to keep my losses down during bad runs.
In this situation, the fapper feels they are entitled to a tip. A tip should never be entitled and the fapper should go into this profession assuming tips are not mandatory (and best if he believes they don’t exist). Therefore when he does get a tip, it is a bonus, as it should be.
i am 110% sure who that fapper is…dont give it much thought joda…he said exactly same thing on EU page on facebook.
When u say decay + tip that means whatever the decay is and the tip culd be .01 ped/h or /day ..nothing more to it. If you are not ok with it then dont do it and go find a job in RL
Aye if someone ‘expects’ a tip - his bussiness model needs an overhaul.
I know in some countries and some service sectors in the world they work with ‘expected’ Tips and maybe your fapper comes from such an area but in no way this local experiences should hold true on a global/universal level - a tip should always be an optional bonus.
you shouldnt talk as you got mod fap and you get different pay in this matter tho.
But im aware who is the person but as everything its all a choice
if people do advert decay/costs, imo they shouldnt GUILT people into paying more, because thats what people called them for, they do get skills, and if they like doing it, its their call
As for me I did heal with mod /imp fap being hired /h, far more stressfull than decay healer which i got skills and could cheal, however the ped matter changes a whole lot.
It is fair to ask the costs at least, and if nothing was agreed in pre-hand, its up to the hunter to decide imo.
I always heal friends for decay only no matter how long, as it is something chilled and can relax, and the fact I help a friend is a good enough pay (with mod2350)
However VS the adj fappers, the mod2350 are heavilly underpayed, when the mod2350 provides the same eco but far more hp/s than a adj fap can provide.
when I started readind I was like “oh no, hes comlaining about a faper today” and i healed him today.
But then I read 2350 and was happy again.
So this is how I think about it:
I healed Joda with mod2600 today and said i want decay. If I say so, I actually expect a little tip. But just for ME and stuff and thats like what, 20pec? So that roundup would do in most cases. Actually I could just calculate ME and stuff as well because thats decay as well. But I prefere to cover that with my tip. Only if I have to use armor and have some decay on it i calculate that.
Everything above that decay is nice to have. If its to less for me I wouldnt offer service for decay anymore and go for 5/10 ped/h or smth.
To say some numbers: I healed for like 2h and got 8 PED tip. Thats more then fair. Loot was nothing special so ok.
I will heal him again if i got some time
Actually I always tell new guys starting fap business: Never expect a tip, so you wont be disappointed. If you got a hunter that hits 10k hof and tips like 1 PED its actually a sign for me to not heal him again. But well, thats the risk. And I would do like this because it is actually what I pay(ed) my fappers. Little tip on bad run, good tip on good run. Fair for both of the them.
I mainly heal for the skills and tiers. Maybe one who heals mainly for the money do not think like that. But then he shouldnt offer fap for decay. Simple as that. (with such a tool)
And btw. with healing for decay im above an average 5ped/h tip.
edit: and as you can see people pay very different. sometimes I get payed double the decay. But its not all about the money. Actually I prefere healing Joda very relaxed and being able to get most out of heal over time with that hp/evade then healing a 120hp guy with mod2600 who is then complaining about not being at full HP all the time and the huge fap decay at same time. Even if he pays well. Still a game so should be fun.
It’s very easy, share the name and don’t ever call him again.
If you agreed on decay+tips it is decay+tips, dont come back bitching about how unfair it is or some other drama.
Myself I don’t even mention tips. I heal for decay and decay only end of the story, if you want to tip it’s your own choice so I don’t even mention it, ever.
I’ve healed for you before and have no problem with your tips. Wouldn’t fap you more than once if that were the case. I only expect costs to be covered for fap decay, ME, etc. Everything else is optional. For me though, 99% of my healing is done on the same small group of around 10-15 people. I’ve developed a working relationship with them and sometimes the tips are minimal or non-existent (on really bad hunts) and other times they are fantastic (hot streaks). That said, it’s never happened to me before but I imagine somebody popping a 5 digit hof and not tipping would be a tad bit frustrating.
Actually this is true. For me I don’t calculate it because its not that much and I am to lazy to always check ME TT and MU. But I think I never got a tip so low it did not cover the ME. Well, maybe if I die 100times during job I would start calculating it…
But I accept that this is my risk and if the tip won’t cover my ME one day I might change my mind. Or think about overall/average “return” and its fine again. Maybe note that hunter so I can calculate ME next time when healing this special one.
edit: An interesting way to calculate tip would be to compare the cost you had with fapper and the cost you would have had without or with imp/mod fapper. If there is a huge gap it might be nice to tip good (the fapper saved you a lot of money), if its low, tip low, fapper should be happy to heal with that much decay
I still remember when a fapper that doesn’t really play anymore wanted 20% of all my hofs and globals and guilted me because I gave him 10% (mostly for info since I was new).
Now I have a different perspective. Be clear with the terms and agree and don’t bitch if you expect 50ped tip for 10 hours of healing and you get 5 ped.
On the other end of the spectrum there are people that want you to heal them for “decay” and want you to use their fap but request a ridiculous deposit for you to use their fap!
There is a lot of people out there that will fap you for decay just for the skills but may not have the fap you want them to use. A lot of the problem is the current state of the game having developed an atmosphere of no trust which could possibly be mediated by creating a “loan” system. Anything helping the interaction of Av’s would help the economy here but MA seems to have problems integrating simple things into the game.
In my opinion, a tip is always optional and, as others have said, is related to the quality of service and luck during the hunt. I always ask what I owe the fapper at the end of the hunt and usually leave a little something, even if the hunt was bad for me. But, that’s my choice.
I haven’t seen much of this from earlier events but now when everyone and his mother has a imp/mod2350/2600 and adj faps has fallen to 1/3 of the earlier price this has happend to me quite a few times to.
I usually start of by telling that I pay decay+5ped for adj fap and 2350/2600mod and we agreed on it before I start. There is fappers that refuse but thats a fair choice then. Also when I hunt big mobs I don’t expect to tip a fapper when I hit a 1k uber cause it doesn’t mean I’m even close to profit. A short example of this is that I hunted mulmun elites the other day for the whole day and I had 7500ped of decay on my niflheim + amp/armor/fap/tagger so the total cost of the run was prolly close to 9000-9500ped before I hit my first global of the run at 150ped (every mob that doesn’t global is a loss). When I checked then I had approx 3000ped of loot on me. Shortly after that I got a 1.3k ish hof (at around 10k turnover) so still at that point the run was 5k-ish minus. When hunting a mob with 50-60ped cost there are big up and downs but the fappers focus most on the ups with globals/hof and don’t see the spending in all this.
I suspect that this can be the same guy that told me he was fapping for decay+tips and when I said that I paid decay+5ped/h he didn’t want to heal me because tip was “usually 10ped/h or more” according to him ^^ Really a strange way of doing things if you ask me.
