Pardon me if there’s been a thread about this before, but this transcript is from a time when I was not playing EU for a few years.
So what does this quote mean exactly? Particularly for some obviously not living in the US.
Maybe tommorow I can ask marco if he also met with the KGB and who else knows about my P5a???@!
My thought is he wanted to make sure that if he makes a big push for new players in the US that the ass holes in congress won’t pass a law against playing a game that is a RCE and to make sure the cut that they want is not too big. Those people are afarid that someone is going to make money here and they won’t get a cut, been that way for years and if you don’t believe that try to make some and not have a cut taken from you so they spend on some BS crap.
Of course if you are an oil producting nation not too worry because the cut, if any, you won’t even notice.
…so true, it’s scary! :eek:
darri
Each one of those organizations would have most likely had a different reason for talking to MA. Long story, short- unless you are using EU to move large amounts of cash around, on the terrorist watch list, or a US citizen, none of it means much for you. Most likely MA just making sure they don’t run into any problems.
And if anybody in congress finds out about entropia.. here come the gaming taxes!
Bad enough that Los Angeles, CA has a new bill thingy, allowing taxation of phones internet. Even though they have been illegally taxed for a while now.
Just wait… when you g to withdraw to a US bank, you get a notice 30% has been deducted for taxation, please see your tax form for more info
OK, sorry 
just angry that idiot politicians and the Governator want to raise taxes to fix the problems caused by PREVENTABLE overspending. Bad enough having the highest overall tax rate in the country. :eek:
This has been discussed before, the reason IRS needs to speak with MA is to confirm that the ped we make ingame is not taxed before we withdraw it. CIA for security interesets regarding cyber-crime, Treasury due to the linkage of the ped to the dollar, and what rights those government bodies have to investigate into MA participants if necessary.
Ok, but my point is that alot of EU participants don’t live in the US and I have the feeling MA would give information away to the entities listed above, regardless. It makes me uneasy even though I know I have done nothing wrong.
Hypothetically, if I ran a web hosting service (out of canada where I live) and had some US customers and the French, German, Chinese heck maybe even North Korean secret service asked me for names, addresses, phone numbers, financial activities, I wouldn’t give it away.
If it’s my/your own goverment I wouldn’t mind so much. Considering in my country I’m blessed to still have privacy laws and even more importantly: I presumably have voted for the people that make these laws and decide what to do with the information.
aaawww how cute, an american talking about his high taxes :laugh:
Never been in holland did ya ?? :silly2:
I don’t know much about Netherlands, but with the high taxes don’t you guys get more benefits?
Not every tiny meeting that MA has gets broadcast.
“Yes we discussed the implementation of and it’s affect on global communities with a hobo who asked us for change”
Please, do not degrade this conversation into who has higher taxes, nor why. It’s been beaten to a bloody pulp, and the supposed horse cannot be found anymore, let alone the stick.
sorry about off topic before. I let local problems interfear…
But I’m sure the meeting was basically what Immortal says it is. Dunno why they have to go to Washington to do this. wonders if MA staff flew First Class. And who payed :rolleyes:
My friend from Canada you don’t know too much about getting info from someone about someone else in the US. You must have a warrant that names names and can not be a catch all warrant (i.e. any and all people), then you must convence a DA that it is a just warrant and a judge to sign the warrant and the list goes on. Its almost like you have to have a case made before you can make a case. AND after all of that if one little mistake is made it all goes down the tubes by a liberal judge.
No the US is not to worry about but some of the others you mentioned I would have my doubts.
Not a slam here and don’t take it that way its just not something I would worry about. Oh and being that we are talking about a foreign entinity here you could probably double what I said above because I am sure the warrant would have to be approved by Swedish goverment also.
The reason CIA is involved in checking RCEs/MMOs is that they are afraid that terrorists will use them for training new terrorists, sending money to other terrorists…
“We talked about trackability of funds, terrorist … financing and training and money laundering.”
Agreed. If the cash cards were actually in place this would be an ideal place for criminals of any type to move money around or to pass information. Currently tho it would be prettty funny of Osama Bin Ladins boys were to try laundering say 20 or 30 million in terrostic funds… Only to find that it will take them 6 months to get the money back out!:eek:
And then get hacked because they didnt know to get a gold card. Lol!
Blackjack :cowboy:
this game is unique…
my friend from the us (?)
Well, u might be right about the IRS, and even about the national treasury, or what its called, but not chance in hell the CIA, NSA, or even FBI would hold any PE players personal info in so high regard that they would stop to get a warranr. Perhaps they would try, but dont tell me that CIA would say “ohh mr. liberal judge, u say we shouldnt look at this gee, i guess we better not then”.
The list of national and internation laws the have been broken by the CIA is so long that it would naturally be considered a criminal organisation.
Basically those security agencies live in a parallel judicial universe, where what happens is the law - not what is written in the lawbooks.
If CIA want to arrest someone they suspect (but have no proof against) anywhere in the world - they will go do it if they can - even if the country they operate in does not approve - heck they will probably only know too late.
I know it happened many places - especially since the 9/11 mishap - go arrest a presumed terrorist - fly him to either guantanamo or one of the “secret” CIA holding pens in eastern europe or else where - pound him untill he is either dead or has admitted to whatever “crime” they are accusing him of and then stuff him in prison untill someone important enought cares to get him out.
Back to topic - im sure that MA is just trying to be “on top of shit” so they dont get hit in the ass by some paranoid terrorist-/tax-evader-catcher, and as such you should probably worry more about getting arrested by cia in ur own home, because ur profile matches that of a suspected tewwowist, than of a CIA prescence in entropia - im sure they still dont care for traxes and troxes
So what does this have to do with the information that MA has on their servers? :scratch2:
EU would be perfect to launder cash, deposit with one account give the ped to another or multiple others and let them withdraw it.
Without MA’s help it would be virtually impossible to trace where the money finally ended up or where it came from at the start.
I would imagine theres a process at MA to monitor trends to check for any weird transactions and then report those to the authorities. So if two complete noobs joined with little or no deposits, one deposited several thousand dollars and gave it to another who then withdrew it, it would get flagged up and reported.
If something like this isn’t happening I’d extremely surprised.
I very much agree with Immortal’s quote. I also think Marco was in D.C. for other meetings and maybe took some Holiday time to actually see the tourist areas in D.C.
In my opinion it was a necessary set of meetings to build a communication bridge to these government entities for the various reasons Immortal listed. Lets face it politicians are kind of out of touch especially when it comes to the internet (or “internets” if your W :rolleyes:).
A lot of revenue is generated from US participants. It would suck to be locked out of EU because of a misunderstanding that could have been averted by the meetings Marco attended if they did not happen. It would suck even more for MA losing a revenue generator like the US. Open lines of communication make that less likely to happen.
I am not sure if it was touched upon in the meetings but maybe certain government entities wanted to make sure MA is not online gambling and needed some face to face reassurance it isnt. :dunno:
I just know after this meeting my CCs stopped giving me fits about EU. So whatever was discussed was worth in IMO.