I guess im gonna be hated forever because of this post, but like usual i speak my mind and cant be arsed to be political
Like usual i ask people not to treat this as a whine, but as my way of trying to describe my view of whats going on. If some of what i write seems like whining its not intended, but your call i guess if you want to flame or notā¦ :silly2:
Imho miners are atm getting the treatment hunters got/have been getting for a while nowā¦ And heres why i think so.
Skills mean ALOT less in mining atm just like in huntingā¦ unless im seriously mistaken the gain in pulling up ore/enmatter ācheaperā can be compared to the gain in efficiancy from 3k-8k prostand in hunting=not enough. Its down to pure luck of the draw if you get that hof that makes you go even/gain a little compared to what you put in. And yes i know some people seem to know when and where to go do what, but that has nada to do with skills so leaving that bit outā¦
Since when did hunters EVER get more loot from each mob depending on skill like highskilled miners got from each āfind/lootā? Skill in hunting means its cheaper to kill X mobs than if your a noob. Like i said before that difference aint great, but its still the only one there is. How come mining should be different? The way id see miningskills if i knew nada about PE would be that your better @finding deposits overall if you have alot of skill, not that you get more from each deposit you find (i.e. cheaper, less cost in bomb/probes/less ammo in hunting used hope that makes sence)ā¦ If systems were to match i mean. Im not saying systems should be the same thing, im just saying it seems MA thinks so nowā¦ That its should be more about time/place aso than actually skillbasedā¦
Skillgainā¦ Hunters had similar thing not too long ago like you prolly know. mainskills started racing ahead and left rest of skills behindā¦ Did a long rant about that one in a previous post.
Now.. theres a difference to whats happening to mining no question about thatā¦ Atm all skills in mining are going fast as hell which i gotta say is a disgraceā¦ How can you treat people like that? years of work down the drain literally. Not just some of the skills like in huntingā¦ But all of em??? im at a loss of words on that oneā¦
I know MA are still tweaking the system (were not that far into VU yet), that new tools might come in play soon that makes an actual difference when it comes to skill, and that we are in the middle of a miningevent and that things might change after that is over. This post is about how things are atm, and is mainly thought as a discussion on what things MA could/could not improve depending on whether people think im an idiot or not
/rant mode off
P.S. MB will probably move this post into a thread he thinks is already handling the subject to avoid doubleposting on same thing since thats forum rules/policy, if I made a new post unnecessarily then so be it, sorry in advance
its kinda funny now that mining and crafting andā¦just about everything els is looting/hofing/globaling a lot people are complaining and i am not just saying you Optima but its like PE cant win for losing. lol o well i am happy with the way things are right now personaly even if the skills are a little bit miss leading or meaningless.
I agree, considering my mining skill and experience it doesnt seem like Iām doing all that well, and I keep seing those uber hofs. I just saw a mining hof ath on gazz 16726 peds, I could be off on last two numbers, going by memory. Now I dont know the person, and its nice those type of hofs are available, but I have this sinking feeling that some of us are paying for those hofs by our failures. I feel like Iām in a lottery now instead of a virtual economy.
I agree, mining is becoming like hunting, almost purely based on āluckā and not so on skills anymoreā¦ which is a shame
And yes I know that depending on your skills your excavation efficiency and average depth changes, but itās clear that āluckā is involved a lot.
Also, with the recent mining event ā¦ itās VERY nice such HIGH hofs( especially for the ones getting it ), but why not spread it out more?
Like the recent 16k ATH, why not make it 16 times a 1k hof?
From a psychological point of view, this all makes a lot of sense of course ā¦
I really really agree ! before (almost) every skill gain had a purpus (example: you get prosp then your in the middle of a vein, you get geology with in 100 m2 its something over 7 peds and so on) Its so damn screwed nowā¦ I belive its much funnier to hunt/trade now.. but before i was a pretty much mining man
imo you seem to be one of the few with some sence in your head. people dont get that mining suck now.. only the ubers , little higher skilled miners do ..
i found it very annoying too that skills really dont indicate much nowadays, maybe it will go back to the old method when there is no more debris falling from the sky (got to end sometime no?)
i bet its not fun for high skilled ppl to see a noob (n/o to that guy:)) who gets in his first mining trip an all time high
(yes iām jealous,although iām not a miner :))
Skillgainā¦ Hunters had similar thing not too long ago like you prolly know. mainskills started racing ahead and left rest of skills behindā¦ Did a long rant about that one in a previous post.
Now.. theres a difference to whats happening to mining no question about thatā¦ Atm all skills in mining are going fast as hell which i gotta say is a disgraceā¦ How can you treat people like that? years of work down the drain literally. Not just some of the skills like in huntingā¦ But all of em??? im at a loss of words on that oneā¦
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There are some incorrections in the above.
Skill gains have decreased in terms of the gains in mining and drilling, but on the other hand, the other have raised.
And this wasnāt just because we can extract more each time.
In VU. 7.6.2 all mining skills were been gained at good rate
In late VU 7.6.3 mining and drilling skill gains were almost stoped
In VU 7.6.4 there was a new increase in mining and drilling but much less than it was before 7.6.3.
Yes, it is just disappointing that months of studying, making charts and maps, skilling and observing seem to be so useless now. It is merely a matter of luck now, and nothing else. Where is the intellectual challenge in that, which before made mining so interesting? Where does experience come in?
It is always nice to be lucky and luck is an important and life-enhancing factor, but when it is only a matter of luck and nothing else, it is no longer a profession.
No, I wouldnāt change my mind if I got an ATH tonight. I might change my mind if I could see a sense in skill and experience again.
rep to Optima for saying what I and prolly more are thinking.
It would be better if there where some sense in what people are getting from there mining trips. If it where once a month that something like this where to happen I woundnāt mind so much but what is up with all those ATH.
Some people must loose a lot to pay for this party.
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There are some incorrections in the above.
Skill gains have decreased in terms of the gains in mining and drilling, but on the other hand, the other have raised.
And this wasnāt just because we can extract more each time.
In VU. 7.6.2 all mining skills were been gained at good rate
In late VU 7.6.3 mining and drilling skill gains were almost stoped
In VU 7.6.4 there was a new increase in mining and drilling but much less than it was before 7.6.3.
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Im am not a pro miner in any way, and if what i said in 3) is wrong i appologise, its based on info i got from some miners i know. Like i said its still early in VU, and skilltweaks are still going on i guess. However i still find it disturbing that some of the slowest skills ingame that couldnt be āskilledā @all before (mainly prospecting/surveying) is now moving up with amazing speed, leaving the ones that spent years working on those feeling a bitā¦ Nah i wont say that
If you have noticed a thing about this āmeteorā event, that it is mostly, if not all of the uber deposits, has been found by low skilled miners, even a 2 day old avatar got one of those ubers.
None of the high skilled miners like PACās or UPCās (or me (yet :wise: )) has found any of them.
That is pretty good advertising for the game, all those, sorry for the expression, n00bs, tellās left and right on non-PE places on the internet and IRL about their fortune in PE, those whom they tell it to goes likeā¦
āwhooaa, cool, making money playing a computer game, and itās easy tooā¦ā
And those who might register a PE account because they heard it from someone are very potential depositers, they dont wanna collect fruit or sweat, they wanna get going fast so deposit.
A very nice advertising scheme by MindArk, much cheaper than using real ways of advertising, because most of the peds from those uberclaims stays ingame, sure some of it will be withdrawed, but most will keep the peds ingame for better equipment and having fun, so most of the peds will just recirculate ingame.
Thatās my guess as to why the uberclaims goes to n00b miners, not meant in a bad way, because it could benefit us all in the long run.
Thatās my guess as to why the uberclaims goes to n00b miners, not meant in a bad way, because it could benefit us all in the long run.
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I too feel that mining is rigged. But I would go even further to say, that if MA did have a plan to engage more players, then why bother giving it to new players, why not just make your own avatarās and plant em ingame and give em huge Hofās. I mean, who in their right mind would give someone 19,000 PED for nothing, thats nearly Ā£1,000 in the UK, and with the ammount of hofās that are happening, that figure is gonna be much bigger.
Iām not saying that they are doing this, but something definatly doesānt seem right atm.
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If you have noticed a thing about this āmeteorā event, that it is mostly, if not all of the uber deposits, has been found by low skilled miners, even a 2 day old avatar got one of those ubers.
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Some of them where found by miners with around 3-4k in mining..
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A very nice advertising scheme by MindArk, much cheaper than using real ways of advertising, because most of the peds from those uberclaims stays ingame, sure some of it will be withdrawed, but most will keep the peds ingame for better equipment and having fun, so most of the peds will just recirculate ingame.
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Pure speculation. There have been way too few big ones for anyone to draw conclusions. It just shows that everyone can strike a biggie, just like itās always been. How can a few highly skilled top miners compete against the hundreds of noobs that are currently out mining as we speak? Only conclusion you can draw is that this meteor event has made a huge impact on peoples interest in mining . I meet soo many more miners out in the fields now compared to before the VU.
MA can give 12 godzillon hof per day if they like , i really dont mind as mutch as i dont mind the color of my first pantie.
but and this one should be write in knukles word , so i say BUT , i dont whant to be the one that guet 30% back what ever i do for months to pay MA advertising experiance.
i just whant to play in virtual universer with real cash flow and skill system.i dont whant to gambling in 1/0 game (uber vs no-loot).
i would be happy to get som usefull item and a TT back bettween 60 and 90% depending and skill techniqueā¦
right now i got better chance to get something back if i put ped directly on the ground than if i go hunt or mine.
Alot of people are mining. ALot more than pre7.6. I doubt its rigged. Everyone have the same chance for the hofs. Since f ex. belkar and lyst aint very deep, so everyone can mine it, and chances are equal.
And not everyone who have hoffed, are noobs either.
PS. this is a comment on mindbusters post, not optimas original.
people dont get that mining suck now.. only the ubers , little higher skilled miners do ..