Evey Thank You. this is a “Wax on…wax off” video
the analogies with the sword means really a good tool makes the difference.
BUT… correctly it is at last place.
to use a tool need to ahve skills. a BP120 (i cant use yet) with my 37 evader adn 41 looter would be useless
weapon is important but skill set is even more. But on convenience of weapons vs cost…
making a calculation a BP40 compared to a ewe41adj is saving you a 30 pec per L18 atrox (considering EFF linear and i think it is not linear)
a BP40 cost 40k ped a ewe41 cost 4k so it is 36.000 ped more (same dps around 41)
every 1000 atrox you save 300 ped
every 10.000 Atrox you save 3000 ped
every 100.000 atrox you save 30.000 ped
(no one would kill atrox because of bad MU but its an example)
as you kill 130.000 Atrox at jurra plateau you recouped markup
3.12 ped vs 3.42 ped per kill… so.. .yo uneed to cycle maximum 500.000 Ped to recoup the cost of a 2.0 small weapon
i cycle 130.000 per month so it is 3 month.
to me it is too low as a weapon 40 dps for the cost it has while skilling, prefer to use other tatics
but as i hit 80 i will try to get a LP70 opr BP70 that require 9 month to recoup the upfront markup
because that “tool” cuts the tree… an armatrix LP70 does not…
in the meantinme… wax on… wax off
/btw ,… i 2870 and MM40 and macmahon and 38 night are a 70ish eff decent upgrade)
It is very likely that “soon” there will be changes that will affect this monopoly of weapons 2.0, which has long since exceeded all limits.
These distributors try to make the most profit before it happens.
Only an idiot would spend $50k in an unstable and unclear environment.
if you want cheaper weapons you need more markup… if you want more markup you need more consumption… if you want more consumption you need to encourage said consumption.
players are their own worst enemy and any accessible markup will get grinded to zero given enough time… especially with ep4.
We have a lot of guns now in the 50 DPS range at around 4k ped mu, some of them even way cheaper, if we went back a few years this same weapons would cost 3 or 4x more. The problem here is the introduction of loot 2.0 and the new atribute for weapons called efficiency, making everyone want to do the jump to a better efficiency gun. The question is how much this jump cost and is it worth it? As a owner of a item I can ask anything I want, after all it’s MY item but yeah I agree we are seeing some really absurd prices here but I would only trust on ingame auction history.
As with most things something is worth only as much as a person is willing to pay for it. I have some comics in my collection that are valued quite high but in reality it depends on who wants to buy them when I decide to sell. Some scare items always command a higher price in the digital world and in real world. EU has scarce items by design plus some items are just inactive on people who just don’t play anymore which boosts the price of those remaining in circulation. Putting an extremely high price on an items does a few things like generate buzz and eyeballs on the product (more advertising), it also is a way to gauge the market for such items and lastly someone might actually pay that price for an item.
I could think of so many different ways to spend $500K PED with less risk and better return. That being said if someone wanted to pay me $50K USD for one of my paintings or some comic I own I wouldn’t think twice about selling it. So in that way I can’t blame the person asking $500K PED for a weapon I just think the people willing to pay that much are few to non-existent in EU even with big ATH loots floating about.
lets say the eff turns the return from 95% to 96%.
So per 1000 ped cycled you get 10 ped more loot.
So to make back 40.000 back you need to cycle 4000x 1000 ped = 4.000.000 ped.
So, 10 times more than MsTurlese said.
But, please do correct me if Im wrong. Im just a casual noob.
well. this goes for a lot of things in life.
Unstable. That’s what I’ve been thinking on several occasions already.
But still here after 16 years…
RESELLERS ARE TRYING TO CONTROL PRICES OF WEAPONS.
When a gun has sold, repeatedly, for 30K, and all of a sudden it’s seen on auction for 70K, THAT’S MANIPULATION!
Only idiots fall for the resellers scam. Then, when they buy a MM for 100K (even though same gun sold for 60-70K last month) and find out they can’t use it to it’s proper level, you’ll see’em trying to resell it for 110K, and the “idiot” game goes on.
Resellers and the greedy fools IG are easy to handle: DON’T BUY FROM THEM, or you WILL get screwed.
You’re wrong there, it’s still a hobby for me, the difference is that I mean business with my hobby and doing well and not having to put in money for gun, armor or ammo…
I don’t understand how you can still be quite well invested too in the game, logging daily, almost, spending so much time in it over the years while having an extremely bad opinion about the game, or it’s leadership… doesn’t make sense… if it’s so important to you who the shareholders are, why on earth you still keep your assets in here and spend the time? What do you think it will happen? What are you hoping to change? As things look atm, yu’re gonna wait at least 20 years so you can have your laugh
Fair enough. And that’s a good standpoint.
…from your point of view
But, Evey, now try to look from it from another persons point of view.
What if you didn’t already have the resources ingame?
What if you would have to deposit 500.000 ped to buy such a gun?
Would you?
I can understand that you would at least consider like EVERYTHING before spending 50.000$ on some pixels!!
from a PURE MATH on DPP standpoint amd assuming that EFF has ZERO benefit…
i consider 2 weapons taking stats fron entropiawiki
EWE41 Military Adjusted has a 2.876 DPP
A&P Mayhem LP40 perf has a 3.449 DPP
let us consider a whatefer mosnter, an ambulimax25 with 1010 HP
EWE41 cost per Ambu is 1010/2.876 = 3.51 ped per kill
LP-40 cost per ambu is 1010/30449 = 2.928 ped per kill
that means that EVERY AMBU you SPEND LESS (3.51-2.928) = 0.582 ped IN TERM OF AMMO BURNED
ALL other parameter remain the same (same loot cycle, no eff bonus)
1000 ambu you spend 580 less ped
10.000 ambu you spend 5800 les sped
100.000 ambu you spend 58.000 less ped
that means you SAVE the 36.000ped needed for upgrading from one 2.96 to a 3.44 dpp weapon with 62.068 Ambulimax killed
speaking in term of ped
1010 * 62.068 / 3.449 cost you 181.759 ped with a BP40
1010* 62.068 / 2.876 cost you 217.971 ped with a ewe41 adj
speaking in term of time
i will use NO BUFFS for calculations
LP-40 perf shots 919 cells @72 fire rate = 397 ped per hour
EWE41 Adj shots 1200 cells @ 63 fire rate = 453.6 pede/hour
to cycle the required amounts we need
181759/ 397 = 457hours NON STOP FIRING for LP40
217971 / 453.60 = 480 hours non stop firing for ewe
457 hours at 6 hours per day means 76 day or 2 months and a half
this is the time needed to recoup the cost of a LP40 vs ewe41 in term opf pure DPP savings repaying the upgronted markup
the above is to explain once again that my calculations are not wrong…
answering to the mate that supposed i made wrong calculations
a counterproof is in term of percent effect on dpp
2.876/3.449 = you save 18% of cost so… 36000 / 18% = 200.000 (average value of the 2 items cycle needed explained above.
i hope that these calculation add to the movie… DPP is a sharpened blade… Evey indicated the moon… but many people was looking at the finger…
Great question!
My answer would depend a lot on my irl financial status and also on my knowledge…
Normally I would say hell no, but knowing what I know now, I would find find my way back to such a gun with time and knowledge not irl card. That was the fun part for me and I’m sure for many. It was a challange. Unlike most of people in this game, I didn’t hate on ubers, I learned from them.
I barely deposited in game and most of it was from what I took out already from it but I always always advised people to not buy unless they understand very well what they are getting and what to do with it.
If I didn’t have a weapon but a ton of irl money, knowing I can get my investment back in below 2 years, I would do it. But I have a lot of data collected already, know what to push and when… and even with a lot of money I would probably go something a bit cheaper an work my way up… but that is me; someone might see the potential soon in their game and put in money to take the best shortcut and start directly the end game . We’re built differently and that still doesn’t mean that the prices are ridiculous.
As a guy well put it above, the price is what someone is willing to pay…
As one person put it well above, the price is what someone is willing to pay…
It seems there are FЕN sunglasses for this people for 100k, do they have to determine the real game of everyone else?
I understand that the leading greedy reseller wants to withdraw $ 48k of profit from the game, and anyone else would use this as an excuse for each item in this false market!
So in that way I can’t blame the person asking $500K PED for a weapon I just think the people willing to pay that much are few to non-existent in EU even with big ATH loots floating about.