Minning Log - Road to ath? or Mindark Broken System?

Gear - Terramaster 8 - Sometimes dual , but mainly Ore
Amp - Level 5 only
Excav - Improved - Twen

NO TAXED LANDS
NO INDOOR , only planetside

Skills
Prospector - Rank 121.
Suveryor - Rank 75

TL;DR i complain about my loot 4yr in row , and its time to show my daily and daily base of b.s
This log only going track TT

29/10/23 → 17/11/23

Spend 97080
Return 85846
240x lvl5 - 24000 drops
30x D-class - 1200 drops
-11234 tt
tt 88.42%
4x Soto

18/11/23
Spend 5070
Return 4407
17x lvl5 - 1700 drops

Later i come to post my daily result ,or tomorrow

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To make this more relevant you should note that before this log you just hit recently a 52 119 PED tower on a 5% tax.
This information might be crucial if your log will be negative for a long time.
Good luck

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aw man, if that tower would’ve been on untaxed land it’d show up on the ATH board

good hit still, and easily explains the returns.

keep dropping :slight_smile:

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1200 drops on the d-class, no ?

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Yes but i need realy link my result before that tower?

Lets me put context here since people still believe that ath make any diference

Spend : 1 564 760
Return : 1 475 992
(yes millions)
So that cycle even you think for is
TT 90% before ATH
TT 94.33% after ATH
Its why i keep playing to be fair … because ath itself otherwise i alred process to selling out , its give me one more try to see if loot get “normal” like everyone else , spoiler not happen , so said that i have more fews internal questions
1 - maybe i never hit this multi out indoor since , planetside is cap 3000x or 4000x and indoor is 15000x or 20000x (depend who you ask)
2 - ATH i believe not follow regular calculation , so yea who know…
3 - Yes is taxed and its hurt me more you think but with both bullet point above i start run out option
4 - Its process to explot Waves since i start run out options here , and its Mindark fault only
but yea my patience is start be test again with same trend last 4year… and if in this era of cap , all rares without amp is cap as fck , waves everywhere who know

yea yea i just miss calc drops

This nigth i take nigth off , get drink , go out , touch the grass , tomorrow i keep resume this shit.

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you sure about that? your skill level of 121 prospector makes me think you DO have the patience for that BS :stuck_out_tongue:

get shitfaced, then get grounded, then go drop some more probes with a clear mind :slight_smile:

“lOoT iS dYnAmIc” gets old quick but…its still true. there are lows and there are highs… just ride the waves :cool:

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“System is broken” gets old but still true.
5 months of 91-92% tt returns in a row are not dynamic loot but a broken system

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the system is not broken.

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if you get constant 91-92% return you might need to adjust your strategy.

btw sometimes loot feels broken and i usually relog in this cases - might be imagination - ma did not respond to my ticket and it got closed due to age

So you’re upset that you’re not returning profit or that your not getting closer to 100% return? 91-92% is about the average return for a slot machine… The best only pay out about 98% and the worst closer to 85%. TT returns in mining have always been horrible because MA relies on resource markeup to make the returns seem less shitty.

Problem with mining and crafting is they have no means for quality rare item loots with significant markup (in the 6 digit range). They are always left out of events too. So one you start down a path of losses you’re pretty much at the mercy of getting a massive hof to set you closer to even. Which is a guaranteed losing strategy based firmly in the gamblers falacy.

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Is your TT return % just straight TT value or are you including mark up?

I always mine with mark up in mind based on current demand. If I am in fields that I know spawn what I need but overwhelming get default resources I will check another location or sign off and try again another day. Right now there is decent markup on some resources on Ark because of GR so being in the right place at the right time to sell helps.

It used to be much easier to profit in mining but there is a lot of competition, a lot more locations, and EP crafting killed a lot of the demand. Crafting really needs an overhaul to bring back crafting meaningful items and it will improve mining and hunting in return.

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I sure to you after 1.5 million in this drama i alred test everything possible in this game… all possible combination and areas

between 2008 and 2019 i get usual , like everyone else around tt 95%
however problems start in 28.08.19 or 28.09.19(i realy forget) - one night i go sleep with tt 95% as usual , next day wake up TT 60% , i just nah is fine is high and downs , keep going and going 1 month later i check tt 70% , start shifting thigs around , keep same 70± , take long break back 1-Dec 2021 after mindark announce changes , i did pretty well util mindark revert changes in 16 dec , fews min later after Simon ATH 60k iron concidence? hell no. i keep push util 25 jan-2022 and figure out still shit and stressfull so did other break , lost any kind hope tried last month all in(still use same rule no big amp) , i learn about waves exploits get my payback after cycle over 1.4 millions ped with tt 80-90% , with ath push me to tt 94% , and here i am try again… see if mindark stop bullshit on me… after all high skills , using terramaster 8 in theory top finder (Util recent introduce P20 twen) also you have C50 C60 C70 B60 B70 CGR dont get me wrong here i test all and my results is worse that TM8 its why stick with for now

o fuck realy you try teach me basic after i cycled over 4 million and 15 yr of pure minning

anyway i going resume my run now ,. see guys in fews hours

Goal of this log its dont even discuss this is jut trow TT in and TT out and proff to everyone , its something fck with system , or mindark did something stupid with my char(after all i have many haters) , and yea last time follow this community suggestion keep try new things , etc , etc cost me 50k ped so yea move on , i going do things in my way , if you want be specify suggestion go ahead but if you come with “keep drop” “try new thins” or generic wow , please fckoff

System= All Finders performing below Item description, a ton of “not exisiting bugs” inclueding a cordination bug that sets your cordinats to a fixed location while you play meaning you run 100k meters while droping and the game counts you doing all drops on the exact same location, that is how you manage to do 40 no hits in a row when your the only person on a server.

most logs inclued pretty much evreything except mu, i only count prob cost no decay or mu of any kind

yes reloging is often needed tosolve active bugs a lot

sorry if i used this to post to vent some frustration i did a lot of tests in the last 6 months and found a lot of bugs while doing that from which not 1 was fixed or acknowledge and now ended in a mining event where they refuse to even fix the finders for and then seeing sombody who is on MA’s VIP list who dosn’t get nerfed 12% compared to his commpetitiors making stupid comments just gets really annoying. (yes messi im 100% sure that if you tell ma about a problem with your gear they wont ignore you like they do to us)

Well this has gone to shit

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my finder performs exactly how it is supposed to? i really dont understand the point you’re making. a finder shows its average depth, keyword here is average. could be more, could be less.

bug that sets your coordinates to a fixed location? do you have proof of that or are you just throwing words like that without anything to show for it?

words have no meaning unless you have data to show

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try making 80 drops in 10 min and we can talk again.
for cordinats how about you ask evrey miner who has had something like 20 drops no hit in a row reloged and appeared on a coordinat 1-2k meter away and no this is not a new thing but something that mostly happend in argus until recently and yes the place you spawn in that case at least at argus is pretty much the same for all tha experienced this

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brb going to ask every single miner in the game for information since you cannot provide any evidence to your claims

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good luck on that dont be afraid to ask them questions while your at it wont hurt you.
the prove you want would be my coordinates on log out and log in which i compared when it happend but i guess that is just me posting random coordinats in that case which is why i didnt bother giving something like that but if you plan to try it no claims combined with no skill hits for a long time are often a good way to tell you should relog.
I cant think of a other clear way to prof it and see no need for it as the peopl who experience it regulary are aware of it.

sorry i brought the post so of topic.

i dont think its off-topic, you & OP both claim the system is broken, which is fine by itself

discussion is fine

19/11/23
Take day off

20/11/23
Spend 5400
Return 4662
18x Lvl5

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