litle warning about some pplz Auction activities.

I get so tired of the whole, “we are providing a service” and “there are traders just like in real life,” especially when comparing it to commodities like tomotoes and other groceries.

Yes, people trade in tomatoes. They buy them wholesale from the growers, mark them up, and then sell them for a small profit to retailers or to end users (grocery customers). In this sense, they offer a service: the average person does not want to make a trip out to farm country to buy a few tomatoes for dinner. However, this service is not required in PE. There is a “farmer’s market,” known as the auction. There is no need for a “middle man,” so please stop couching this in noble terms of “providing a service.”

What people are talking about here is going into that grocery store and buying up every tomato in the place for $0.50/kg and then setting up a stand right outside the store, selling tomatoes at $0.65/kg. That’s not a service.

These people are not traders and they are not “resellers.” They’re speculators: they buy a commodity in the hopes that it will rise in value. And I don’t think anyone has a real problem with that (though, some might). In real life there are speculators in commodities, art, wine, comic books, and gaming cards. What people are talking about in here is these people using friends and alts to manipulate the price because it isn’t going up fast enough for them–creating a false market. Price-manipulation is unscrupulous at best, and in the real pioneer days (which PE emulates in certain ways), such people would have been run out of town on a rail. Is it illegal? That all depends on how much of your profits get donated to polititians. Does it create ill-will? You bet. And I think many people, myself included, would like to do whatever they can to expose these people and their methods so that others know not to bid on their items.

Yes, there are traders, resellers, speculators, and scammers in real life. There are also consumer advocates in real life.

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I get so tired of the whole, “we are providing a service” and “there are traders just like in real life,” especially when comparing it to commodities like tomotoes and other groceries.

Yes, people trade in tomatoes. They buy them wholesale from the growers, mark them up, and then sell them for a small profit to retailers or to end users (grocery customers). In this sense, they offer a service: the average person does not want to make a trip out to farm country to buy a few tomatoes for dinner. However, this service is not required in PE. There is a “farmer’s market,” known as the auction. There is no need for a “middle man,” so please stop couching this in noble terms of “providing a service.”

What people are talking about here is going into that grocery store and buying up every tomato in the place for $0.50/kg and then setting up a stand right outside the store, selling tomatoes at $0.65/kg. That’s not a service.

These people are not traders and they are not “resellers.” They’re speculators: they buy a commodity in the hopes that it will rise in value. And I don’t think anyone has a real problem with that (though, some might). In real life there are speculators in commodities, art, wine, comic books, and gaming cards. What people are talking about in here is these people using friends and alts to manipulate the price because it isn’t going up fast enough for them–creating a false market. Price-manipulation is unscrupulous at best, and in the real pioneer days (which PE emulates in certain ways), such people would have been run out of town on a rail. Is it illegal? That all depends on how much of your profits get donated to polititians. Does it create ill-will? You bet. And I think many people, myself included, would like to do whatever they can to expose these people and their methods so that others know not to bid on their items.

Yes, there are traders, resellers, speculators, and scammers in real life. There are also consumer advocates in real life.
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What u are telling is true, and I have same oppinion. Just I want to clear thing out: There are ppl. who buy tomato for 50 and sell for 65, but there are ppl. who get tomato for 40, and sell for 49 near the same grocery.

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What u are telling is true, and I have same oppinion. Just I want to clear thing out: There are ppl. who buy tomato for 50 and sell for 65, but there are ppl. who get tomato for 40, and sell for 49 near the same grocery.
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The difference being?

Both still have a markup, both markups did not require any major efforts on your part.

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The difference being?

Both still have a markup, both markups did not require any major efforts on your part.
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It’s not easy to get tomato for 40 centes, when a market value is 50. And that is work every normal trader does. Ofc. to buy all tomato for 50 and sell for 65 is speculation. And I don’t like ppl. like that too (couse I don’t play PE to make peds, I make peds to play PE).

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(couse I don’t play PE to make peds, I make peds to play PE).
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HunterZ: if i remember correct u stated after ur great ATH havin hunted for >60k peds those days but only havin deposite 100$ in the past.

couldnt u give Zarg a small hint how to gain peds for hunting without depositing every week ? …or was it just possible in the old days of pe?

anyway. if zarg makes money from reselling to use it for hunting the good thing is it stays in “pool”. what i personally dont like is that marketprices will be distorted by many ppl of that business…

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I understand resellers,but its not their fault.They are just using a situation.This latest 90k hof will drag even more people to MA, and what do you think if 10 of them are investing big time,chiping,best weapons,faps,armors…If there are needed 10 shadow armors on the market where 50 exist,that will push the price,and it wouldnt suprise me to see that shadow will brake the 50 k barrier very soon…

1 more thing:I looked at auction last night and saw 6 v1 in there…are they droping again,and WHY does it cost 1.3k now???:frowning:

I cant kill a hoglo,and it will probably never happen,but 1,3…

The trick to this is to make the auction costs for the seller a bit more realistic.

Sure, you are always, always, liable to get shill bidders in a highest bid wins system. This type of auction has what is called the winners curse. You won because you paid more than anyone else.

In the real world shilling is discouraged because auction houses work on commission. So if the even of your friend bidding too much, he pays say 105% of his winning bid. The seller gets maybe 95% of the winning bid. The auction house walks away with ~10%. Its that 10% that is unattractive in the even the shill bids too high.

So I think the cost of the auction should be a fixed percentage of the sale price, which increases as you increase the number of days you place it on for. Of course, this would suck for a lot of people, and completely mess up the PE economy (big deals will go off the auction house, suddenly one of the benefits to selling large quanities - 1ped becomes a lower % of your margin - is gone, it would cost resellers too).

Well, the best thing would be to do that, and make these player ran shops at the same time.

[QUOTE=chesta]
HunterZ: if i remember correct u stated after ur great ATH havin hunted for >60k peds those days but only havin deposite 100$ in the past.

couldnt u give Zarg a small hint how to gain peds for hunting without depositing every week ? …or was it just possible in the old days of pe?

anyway. if zarg makes money from reselling to use it for hunting the good thing is it stays in “pool”. what i personally dont like is that marketprices will be distorted by many ppl of that business…
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U realy believe that HunterZ deposted $100 and went so far only by hunting?

not impossible if you allways have had more skills than the rest 99% of avatars ingame :smiley:

(no idea how skilled HunterZ is btw)