Karma comes back around.....

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There has been alot of dicussion about ships Karma in space, and what it tells you about that ship.

So far we know that the first kill a ship makes, determines its tag. So if you take out 1 fair ship - you are rude.
The ships gain and lose Karma depending on what they kill, but have no way of seeing what the Karma is at.

So far I (and others around me) has drawn the conclusion that the first kill determines the tag, and nothign would change that. It just didnt seem right.

Also, the tag will get stronger or weaker depending who is in the driver/gunner seat. For example a quad is fair when person x is in the seat, and upstanding when person y is in the seat.

I had never heard of a ship changing Karmaā€¦until now! :cool:

Poor Tesh shot down a mob and his quad became fair, :yup: after doing a load of escorting and pirate hunting, it never changed.

Until today, his ship lost its tag, not fair or rude. It was either a bug, or his ship had reached the neutral stage once again. Only one way to test it!

We headed out into space with a fair ship as target, low and behold when he shot it down, his ship became rude.

So Karma does come back aroundā€¦

What are your observations of Karma? would be great to get it all figured out :slight_smile:

[COLOR=rgb(255, 255, 255)]Edited in 2014 to add -

Through the years and the course of this thread, we now have a much better understanding on the karma system, how it works, how to gain and lose it, how to bring it back around, and how captain profession has a strong effect on it. We have also worked out many of the ranks which are achievable, I will add them to this post. Hope you enjoy reading the thread :slight_smile:

2021 update with the karma list as we know it, its not perfect, not finished yet, but I think its high time we shared it :smiley:
[IMG width=ā€œ379pxā€ height=ā€œ375pxā€]https://www.planetcalypsoforum.com/forum/index.php?media/karma-titles-jpg.338481/full

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From what youā€™ve described it sounds as though the passage of time lessens the effect of previous actions.

This would give an up-to-date indication of a personā€™s intentions. Someone whoā€™s been bad (a pirate) in the past who now decides to be a person of good character will find it easier to lose the burden of those past actions.

The disadvantage to this is someone of bad character could take a break and find themselves (at least temporarily) regarded as ā€œneutral.ā€

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I bought a minimally damaged quad a week or so ago and discovered that it had bad karma attached to it- ā€˜rudeā€™. I have shot a few space horrors and not pkā€™d anyone or been pkā€™d by anyone. Last time I looked I remained ā€˜rudeā€™.

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You can see your own shipā€™s title by mousing over the healthbar for it.

When I first came to space my Sleipnir MK2 VTOL got the title ā€œNotableā€ after flying for awhile with a passenger. It would lose itā€™s title when my passenger got out.

When I got my Quad-Wing it quickly got the title Rude since Ive shot down several other ships with it. When a 2nd gunner gets in, it gets the title ā€œDisreputableā€

People who kill ships with a bad title, get a positive rating. If you kill ships with a good title, then you get a bad rating. A few minutes ago I shot down another Quad-Wing that had the title ā€œFairā€, so I lost Karma on that. I have seen some people with ā€œUpstandingā€ on their Quad and those people usually specifically target those with a bad rating.

Most people seem to have the title ā€œRudeā€ since they have at one point killed another ship with a neutral or positive title.

I also would like more information on the subject.

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I just saw Serica with the title Prominent

Its the highest I have seen so far.

Edit: when Serica came back she was without a passenger and her ship didnt have a title which means she has never shot down another ship or killed a mob with her ship.

She probably one of the more active transport pilots atm

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Well I did change my quad from Fair to Rude as described in Alainas post.
Then today I shot down a Rude quad and returned my quad to Fair.
So you definately gain + or - Karma when shooting down ships and can change between Rude and Fair by the status of your ā€œvictimsā€.

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vehicules karma can change at least, despite some societiesā€™ karma driven by a single individual which is hardly (or never) reversible. :yup:

Have a good day :laugh:

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I took on a passenger today and my Quad got the title ā€œNotoriousā€ while he was alone in the 2nd seat. When I got on board it became ā€œDisreputableā€

The problem is I keep killing other ships that also have a negative title, which makes mine more positive.

I would love to have the title Notorious all the time :laugh:

I want to know what comes next after Notorious

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Oh noes!!! your fair again :handgun: hugs

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If I choose to go to space with a ā€œfairā€ spaceship does that mean I am likely to travel with a ā€œbetterā€ pilot then if i travel with a ā€œrudeā€ spaceship?
In other words: are ā€œrudeā€ spaceships more likely to be pirates, in which case I can choose not to travel with them?

or with this ā€œkarma can be reset thingā€ thereā€™s no telling good from evil ?

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Its a hard question to answer. There are so many factors to take into consideration.

Firstly its presuming that a pirate would want to see harm coming to their passenger, I would like to hope this is rare - but presume it has happened.

There are pirates out there with fair quads, but this is not to say they they are trying to be sneaky, its just the luck of the first thing they killed.

There are also many rude ship owners ( myself included) who has never had a passenger come to any harm. I go to space everyday, and offer a free flight to the ss ( as im going anyway) and 9 times out of 10 I go alone, through the fear people have on flying in a rude ship.

If someone has a Karma tag, you know they have killed something. What you then need to ask yourself is if this is a good thing. A fair tag, could have arisen from killing just one cosmic horror, so doesnā€™t tell you much about their combat abilities, and if they really would be able to defend you in space. However, they could have wiped out every rude ship out thereā€¦ you just never know.

A rude tag has came from shooting down a fair or neutral ship. It may sound odd, but if I could not fly on my own or with the mothership, id rather fly with some of the pirates I know, knowing they could fight hard if it came to it. Then it all comes down to who you trust.

The Karma change has came from alot of space pkā€™ing, but bear in mind that pirates will shoot down other pirates too. So they kill fair and rude ships. They gain and lose karma up and down continually. We now know they can change their tag but doesnt change the fact that not all fair ships are good, and not all rude ships are bad.

As a general rule of thumb, flying with well know pilots or on Motherships would be the best advice.

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I just want to know who the bad guys are so I can killā€™em :wink:

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you could start by forum trollers, if you got nothing to do, Sam, lol :yup:

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The bad guys are Force Majeur and the Rockstars. So many people are up there to kill them, you practically have to wait in line and wait for your turn. No one likes them.

The other bad guys are ALL Sleipnir MK1 and MK2. :laugh: :rocket:

When you are up there next and you see me, stop over. I usually have a team of 3-6 or more Quad-Wingsā€¦ Ill add you :slight_smile:

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Yep, never felt the need to shoot anyone - Iā€™m not into pvp at all.

On the other hand, Iā€™ve never lost a passenger (tho Iā€™ve been hit once when I wasnā€™t paying attention flying solo).

And Iā€™ve been flying passengers since space opened :slight_smile:

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now now Sam, dont get to cocky and play the role of a good guy when you definetly aint one?, remember how you mob trained my team when we were just having some fun hunting? that was a noble move by you

to bad for you it was a pvp zone

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Iā€™ve never intentionally mob trained anyone. Unintentionally, with a vehicle.. well.. maybe :ahh:

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How, I wonder, does karma relate to the color of the tag? Iā€™ve see someone with fair karma but a red tag. Whatā€™s up with that?

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lets recall the events.

I dont stand in PA and talk to newbies, instead i take them on opalo hunts and that day was one of those.

We went for allophyls W from Neas place, when you drove by with your car with 2 allophyls on your tail. It is still not clear to me, how you managed to make them peacefull allophyls aggro on you since you need to come very VERY close to them for them to start being aggresive.
So those to mobs lost aggresion towards you and started attacking my team members.
When i saw that, i said in public chat so that you could also see it quote: ā€œif he trains us again we wack himā€.
It is then when you started to pick up all the allophyls you could get to do another mob train(4 or 5) on us, now you are saying that was not done on pourpuse?

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Yes, I am. But even though it happened accidentally, I apologize.

I canā€™t completely remember the incident, but I believe I was trying to aggro a group of them together to kill them myself. I often do this with small mob on an iron challenge. Itā€™s not eco, but it saves a lot of tedious running around or tagging. And itā€™s fun! :slight_smile:

I certainly would have avoided your group had I seen it in time and I am sorry if it spoiled your hunt.

Sam Panda

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