after taking a year long break, after MA fucked up influx of mayhem tokens AND fucked up vendor refills, I decided to give the game another try. Since I cant afford to depo a whole lot anymore and fairly I dont trust MA enough to be wanting to, I decided to switch up my setup. Now with animal looter of 100 and mutant looter of 95 I decided to swap my electric perfected for a t10 LP70Fen for the higher efficiency. Figured with my looter and over 90 eff not much could go wrong in the long run and i would be pretty safe.
I couldnt have been more wrong…
even with 12k HoF in Arkadia I lost about 10k TT value doing last 2 missions of the IFN training for the armor. I didnt track that time but what i got back from MU was barely 10% of my total tt loss. this didnt include my own paid mu for amps and enhancers. Apart from RDI amps and enahncers i was doing fairly eco hunt with mye xcess of 5mg pills and candy canes.
seeing this i thought well maybe its a bad run even with the 12k hit sample size is to small so i decided to track on centaur.
after 2000 kills I got a tt return of 71.2%
this is with 92 eff and 100 looter
With everything combined since i got back into the game returns are horrible and it shouldnt be possible with this setup. I swapped to this setup so my hutns would be less volatile. Turns out they are more. I have hunted a lot in the past month i am top 5 in monthly hunter with main globals not even getting registered since i am mostly on ark and NI. So sample size should be high enough.
Friends always told me this game was a scam and i should quit it while i can :s
I am startign to wonder if they where right…
I would like to hear your thoughts
Seeing a lot off oldschool players leave and MA being as unprofessional as they can get, I honestly don’t know if i can keep playing this game.
eff and looter always worked but they were never the problem.The problem in recent years were incompetence and AI and extremely bad leadership I guess combined with zero vision, devs that had no clue why this game was great and why the economy worked 20 years with little updates and lets not forget the most problematic concept : equality of result, loot 2.0 was the first step, twen was final punch.
We don’t know if the game will survive or anything but its clear the fact that the paradigm changed into consumption for the sake of consumtion without any sort of purpose or fundamental meaning.
My advice is take as much money from the table as you can, leave what you can afford in the game to be lost, downsize your gameplay to absolute bottom until competent hands put 10 years vision to the table, show you that its ok to invest 50k-200k usd, that your money is good here and then and only then go all in.
Until then take money out.
Anyone ever notice your TT return seems fine for about a week and then a “switch” gets flipped? And back to getting rekt? Bait and switch. Classic. Gotta love mindark!
Over 100k kills it will still jump a bit, +/- 4%-6% from expected iirc from my own samples.
It has been shown that looter and efficiency have an impact. What people struggle with is understanding what large numbers are in a system with such high variance.
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[li]It is a game of redistribution. The system can only redistribute what is available, i.e. deposits minus withdrawals minus operating cost, with some added measures to mitigate seasonal or cyclic effects. However, upticks are still noticeable at times when deposits are most likely, e.g. at the beginning of weekends or events in major timezones.[/li][li]When offering anything for sale, you compete with people who don’t need their money and will undercut anyone who tries to stay on top of their expenses. No industry can exist in the presence of consistent dumping.[/li][li]Whether all of this could be improved with better leadership, nobody on this side of the fence is qualified to judge because we don’t have the data the other side has. Yet mathematics are fundamental and can’t be outwitted by anyone.[/li][li]Why does this need to be repeated every time the same complaint comes up and gets underwritten by those who are in long enough to know better?[/li][/ol]
I am saying you shouldnt need big sample pool when running 90+ eff and max looter. you should also get less globals and make gameplay less volatile for you when invested in big guns.obviously my cycle needs to be bigger i am not saying it shouldn’t
also youa re wrong being top 3 in hunting should be a big enough cycle to not land you with 70% returns but what do i know. You for some reason keeps defending this piece of shit of a game, a game I once loved with all my heart.
MU is the other problem they released exceptional L weapons and saturated the vendor with these, then as if that wasnt enough they have overflown the market with ul weapons. Now anyone can hunt anything and there is no more mu
You can make it less volatile, shoot smaller mobs. The range of multipliers means that we will play at a big loss pretty much constantly. None of the top 3 hunters have consistent 70% returns. The most common reason for perceived horrible returns is incorrect tracking.
Edit: Mortirex. Aris instances. All AI missions. Spina soldiers. There you go, enough MU to cover.
I know I tracked it correctly
seeing my pedcard schrink each day while nothing sells for over 101% mu on auction house prooves further I didnt track wrong.
the mobs you mentioned i was actualy hunting a lot but even then mu isnt enough to cover 70% tt return
I did AI missions for like a a month and they feel like a trap tbh
There are like 25 nanoblade mod in game only no to mention other amazing weapons, what could you even expect with that in terms of mu? Rhetorical question
Those I share tracking with seem to experience pretty consistent returns over time.
If you want to share your logs in here, dm or discord I could take a look and see if I see something wrong.. I have a hard time believing 70% returns since usually that only happens over really small samples but maybe your account is cursed.
I compared to 10 years ago when there was actual MU and cycle felt a lot more different, like efficiency rly mattered. and was actualy possible to survive with the mu in that days market.
Now in about a month and way more cycled my returns are all over way more volatile, on top of that the market is shit so mu is almost non existant so its impossible to make up for you losses.
and the mu’s dropped a ton over the years since with all the new weapons anyone can hunt anything.
I am not the only one saying this btw
the 70% return isnt even that important here, could ahve been 80 or 90% and i’d be in the same boat.
so yes if you cant see this its copium.
I have logs from tracked hunts but i mainly started tracking manualy cause arson chip kept fuckign things up
something is defenitly wrong when all ubers are selling their full gear sets
and you get posts like this denying anything bad is happening with the game
my reasons to sell are my reasons and private reasons.
What did i deny? i reply to your title, short and clear.
but if you don’t agree with me, means im wrong? So why would someone also agree with what you posted?
