I haven’t posted in a LONG time, many months, maybe even a full year. I gave up EU because while I knew it was possible to be skilled enough to profit, it would take way too long (and cost a lot too) to achieve that by gaining the skills through game play. So I decided that the only realistic way for me to play EU for a profit is to make a significant deposit. Fortunately I now am in possession of some funds that may allow me to make such a deposit. I enjoyed playing EU the first time around but was frustrated by having low skills and only being able to fight weak monsters, etc. So I’m posing as an open question how much money I would need to deposit and spend on skills and equipment in order to make a reasonable profit. I’m not necessarily aiming for uber status, unless that’s what it takes. I would appreciate any reasonable estimates of how many PEDs it would take to reach profitable status, and any ideas about how to alllocate them among skills and equipment.
If what you mean is “how many peds do I have to deposit to profit at hunting in EU?”, I don’t think there is a good answer to that, other than that most people don’t profit consistently or in significant amounts at any skill level in the hunting profession. Maybe price out what imkII and adj fap would cost you along with the skills it would take you to chip to a level where you can use them economically…then, hope to break even or profit a bit in the long run after you take into account the value of the skills you are gaining.
If you just want to know how much you need to deposit to profit in EU in general, then the answer is zero, or if you want a bit of a head start, maybe $50. Use the deposit or what you earn sweating to start trading.
Buy a hangar or LA if you want to do profits.
Skills and gear don´t affect loots, so it isn´t said that you will get profits.
OK you may hunt more economic and have less expence on killing a specific mob, but even if you need half the money than any unskilled palyer to kill something it can be a NoLooter!
Yeah sorry, I didn’t mean sweating or trading or newb stuff:D. Basically hunting, crafting, and/or mining, although they all involve using the auction and trading to some extent. I know it’s possible to profit from crafting with high enough skill levels, and I’m fairly sure it can be done at hunting too. Of course most people don’t profit because that’s how the game is designed, the ones that don’t profit either have low skills or uneconomical equipment or bad hunting technique or they’re bad at trading. I’ve seen comparisons of EU to a casino which I think is pretty accurate, and as a poker player I understand that when the casino’s customers play against each other, the best players can easily overcome the casino’s rake at the expense of the lesser players. The same concept likely applies to EU; the players with the most skills, most economical equipment, and best playing strategy, should have a long term positive expectation at the indirect expense of the weaker players. I’m just trying to get an idea from people who are profiting how much money I’d need to invest to achieve that status.
If you want to profit, my main piece of advice is to profit off the players, not MA. EU is designed to slowly leech the money from the players every time they do something. Sometimes people win at something, sometimes they lose, but overall, people slowly lose. It is much easier to provide a service to people and profit (I dont mean easier as in it is easy, but easier as in it is almost impossible to profit from MA ;))
Profiting in EU depends on your playing style-I profit constantly-But I go through very little peds in turnover-But I dont care as I enjoy it. My only secret is not being stupid with peds, playing efficiently and sweating. Sweating for me offsets the % MA try to take from you when you play. Its a slow playing style but it works.
Remember, you can always profit from the players if you have a good service that people use, Its very difficult to profit from MA directly, though it is possible.
Good luck, and if you need a soc to join, PM me and we can talk!
Frankenberry
Thanks for the offer andy. In truth, I doubt anybody profits off of MA directly. The only way you could do that is if you TTed every loot you found and still came out ahead, and that’s not realistic. People who profit do so because of markup, and the reason items get marked up as much as they do is because most people hunt with low efficiency or against low monsters so some items are rare. If everyone had uber skills and gear, you’d see prices get slashed dramatically. So if I pay significantly enough less to kill a monster than the average player who fights the same monsters, I’ll make a profit because while I’ll get the same amount of loot from X monsters, I’ll spend less in ammo and decay. So what I’m trying to identify is what skills and gear I’ll need to fight monsters economically enough so that I will make a profit from hunting or crafting because my decayammo/materials cost is low enough. Maybe I should post in the skills forum instead; I tried here first because from what I remember this is a high traffic forum so I figured I’d get more responses here :).
What he said 
and read my guide part 3 about how ubers profit. It will take serious ped.. however, it has become easier since i wrote the guide with the introduction of (L) weapons which are far more economic
A big key is markup. Why do you think miners lose less (usually).
I must be doing something wrong when i’m mining then…
blah blah blah. he has a direct question!
$100,000 USD → 1 million peds on skills.
$100,000 USD → 1 million peds on equipment.
$100,000 USD → 1 million peds on investment (LA hangar or whatever new MA throughs at the game)
and you should be fine.
You have to become part of the casino. Casino always wins, sheep always get shaved. 99% of players are sheep.
Ag.
If my hangar just became worth that much i’ll eat my feet out of joy. :laugh:
But yeah, this pretty much covers it.
LA/Hangar
Uber Equipment & Skill set-up
All depends on how much your willing to invest.
Hangars = Around 110K PEDs
LA’s = Vary and can be up to slightly over 500K PED’s
Uber Equipment & Skill Set-up = This will take a few lines.
Basic Uber Set-up: Roughly 260-300K PEDs?
IMKII/MM = 130K-150K PED
Adj. FAP = 35K-50K PED
Skills to use = 60K PED{Very rough guess. More likely to be around 100K PED}
I have no idea about the current goings on of the skills market so thats total guesstimates on my part. But those are pretty much your options of having a decent shot or a guarenteed shot at making a decent earning.
EDIT: Also keep in mind that inflation doesn’t have a pause button and runs rampant in here. So try not to rush into anything, but also don’t take too long to decide or it could cost you an extra 20K.
Yeah, I’m trying to be the 1% 
Aren’t we all?! :laugh:
I agree 100%. Everything else is depending on random factors. People WILL fly to CP and CND and people WILL hunt on a well maintained LA. Maintaining the LA could be an issue, but with the hanger all you need is oil (you can mine that yourself) and CP and CND are always going to be there.
IMO, a hanger is about the only guaranteed profit. Too bad they cost so much, but there is a reason for that
For hunting.
300k - skills
140/155k - impMKII
45K -adj fap
And u can go hunt 1 mob 24/7 and hope u make a profit in the longrun in skills/peds.
Otherwise, a hangar hard work not alot of peds
My advice is if u wanna make cash.
depo 25000 ped
and go trade, u can make up to 5% a week on it if u are good!
looking at the official MA offerings/sales and inflation, supposed profit starts after $50,000 USD (Dathifier was the lucky one to get in on the profit stream for 27k USD os so) 
There is toilet humour here, but I am almost above that level.
If you happen to want to play for fun and make friends, very little…in fact nothing.
If you want to shoot things (are you American?)…about $20 per week.
If you want to buy things to wear…go on a shopping trip and divide the total by ten…then times by a hundred for anything you bought that has a designer-label.
If you want to mine…about $40 per week. That includes ammo used clearing mobs.
If you want to craft, just sign the cheque and hand it over (joke).
I base this on an average person playing ten hours a week. These figures vary due to the avatar (mine could walk into a field of mobs stuffed with wallets and loaded with minerals and still walk out barely holding cab-fare).
Or you could buy a planet…Neverdie seems to have done well enough.
The game goes to great lengths to point out it is not a casino…but the entry philosophy should resemble such an establishment.
Well, actually Trading is not a noob profession only. Or rather darker side of it, as people call it “reselling”, especially that of uber gear. There are some resellers that made enough to be able to bid on LAs.
It would take much more money to aquire decent skills. I once did an extensive calculations using jdegre’s wonderful tool. It would cost me ~130k peds to chip up to 65/65 in dmg/hit from aprox 30/27. And that’s only the point where for example mk.V m.e. becomes as efficient as Adapted montgomery @200%. Of course imk2 with a204 would be more eco already at this point, but to get really good eco you would probably need a double amount of peds spent on skills.
Also Pheonyx forgot armor, that’s another 85-110k peds (shadow or supremacy).
I’ll get flamed for this no-doubt, and of course i have a vested interest, but i think that this statement pretty much sums up why Hangars are either highly under-valued, or LA’s are highly over-valued.
Gen’s old LA{has she still got it?}, is a great example. My turnover with the hangar on a weekly basis could be up to 2K on a good week, but she herself admited that she made less than half that. Infact i remember 24ped a day being mentioned.
So a lower income and most importantly, it takes a shorter time to re-coup your investment. You can make your money back on a hangar in less than a year if you do it properly. But an LA{If not managed properly} could take forever.
Once again, i expect ill get flamed for this, but a hangar is definetly the way to go IMO.
Geese! It would really take that much in skills?
…ouch… ..
Btw, i didn’t mention armour because with an IMKII and an ADJ FAP the most you would really need is gremlin or rascal depending on where you were.
Thanks for the skills info, its making me think twice about purchasing a MM or IMKII.