EU court laws and system of government

Entropia Universe Economy General Economy Discussion
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Lots of times I’ve read about badly behaved players, and also problems of trust when dealing with ‘unauthorised businesses’ in-game, and it occurred to me that this is an area ripe for polling user opinion.

So currently we in EU live in a hi-tech dictatorship presided over by an immortal god-king (MA). :silly2:

In the event of any grievance or dispute with another player or with the government, we can petition the god-king (send a support case), but as there are few laws to break, action by the god-king is unlikely except in extreme circumstances. More usually this will be to resolve mistakes by the government (vanished peds etc) than disputes with another player (sorry I mean citizen)

Now I’m not suggesting a peasants revolt here, but there is certainly a precedent in situations like this for representatives of the people to raise issues of popular concern to the god-king and throw themselves on his or her mercy in the hope of recognition of their point of view (or just not being thrown to the lions…ie banned)

There are lots of possibilities here, but the one I want to address is the idea of having more laws to protect players, and a means of enforcing them.

Here is one idea:
[ul]
[li]new laws can be proposed by any 2 players each with over 1500 hours cumulative playing time[/li][li]laws once proposed are posted for public consultation by players[/li][li]after 30 days, the laws are voted on by players (at vote booths)[/li][li]to be accepted a law must achieve yes votes by 2/3 of the players who have been active in the last 30 days[/li][li]once accepted by the players, the law(s) are passed to MA, who can veto or accept the laws[/li][li]any non-vetoed law is approved and published by MA[/li][li]any player contravening a law can be reported to any of an elected panel of judges[/li][li]judges are elected by players, but must have over 1500 hours cumulative playing time to be eligible[/li][li]all reports are investigated by a team of 3 judges selected at random from the panel[/li][li]judges will investigate the alleged contravention of the law, and where necessary request evidence from players, or from MA[/li][li]after investigating, judges will determine the guilt or innocence of the player concerned, and post a summary of their findings[/li][li]any player who is found guilty will have their case passed to MA[/li][li]the player has 2 weeks to present any final mitigating plea to MA, after which sentence is carried out[/li][li]sentences can range from fines of peds (which go to MA) or skill losses, to temporary account suspensions and total bans[/li][li]also community service sentences can be awarded, which require the guilty player to perform tasks such as noob fapping for a certain number of hours of play[/li][li]in cases where one player has cheated another, the repayment of peds including punitive damages can be awarded[/li][li]judges who abuse their position or make repeated incorrect judgements will be struck off by MA and may face prosecution themselves[/li][/ul]

It will be a long time before we have anything like this, but I thought it might make an interesting Friday afternoon discussion.:smiley:

Or maybe everyone really wants the law of the Emik.

Edit: Damn you can’t add a poll after you’ve posted :frowning: It’ll have to go in a new thread

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Your post fits into this one somewhat:
https://www.planetcalypsoforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=48815

The tough part is presenting evidence. In the US Criminal Justice System, hearsay is not allowed. You have to present eye witness testimony and physical evidence. To do this in our virtual universe, you will have to have MA produce logs everytime there is a complaint of wrongdoing, which they seem to be somewhat reluctant to do.
I do think you have a good point of discussion here though.

I’ve recently thought about the following scenario:
What if I rob one of the new banks. There is no law against that in Entropia Universe that I am aware of. But, I think it should be against the “law”. In real life, if I loan you my car and you do not return it then you have broken the law. In EU, if I loan you my mod fap (yeah, I wish) and you don’t return it, then MA says too bad. With the “too bad” philosophy, I should be able to rob the bank without any repercussions. I know this is an extreme example, but you usually have to be extreme to get people to understand issues more clearly.

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Missed that one - sorry :slight_smile:

Well in this case, if you’re found out you throw yourself on the mercy of MA. They may say, yep ‘all trades are final’ fair play to you, well done. Hehe you banks need to learn how eu works.

On the other hand they may say…hmmm Thantos doesn’t own a bank, paper or any virtual real estate (this may be wrong…but I say it for the sake of making my point), but the bank gets us a lot of publicity and new players. We find for the bank.

Our god-king is of course capricious, but that’s what makes life fun.:slight_smile:

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A citizen-based legal system organized and operated under the final authority of a precocious “God-King” does nothing to alter the precociousness of the “God-King”…

In other words, MA will always do what they want, when they want and will be accountable to no party organized by the citizenry. Therefore, any system to which MA is not accountable is, by its nature, toothless…

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I don’t think is a good comparision. In real life I have a piece of paper that says I own my car and as long as I have that piece of paper I can always prove I own my car.

A better comparision would be loaning out some expensive jewelry and not getting it back. Take this to court and without some sort of proof that the jewelry was meant as a loan then it becomes a he said / she said arguement. At that point you may or may not get back your jewelry.

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If MA doesn’t smell money in it for them, it ain’t happenin’, dude.

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[quote=“KP708, post:1, topic:65050”]

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[li]new laws can be proposed by any 2 players each with over 1500 hours cumulative playing time[/ul][/li][/quote]

I think the number of people should be increased to at least 5, possibly as high as 10.

[quote=“KP708, post:1, topic:65050”]

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[li]to be accepted a law must achieve yes votes by 2/3 of the players who have been active in the last 30 days[/ul][/li][/quote]

I think at least 50% of those who voted must agree to the law (not 2/3) and at least 75% of those active in the last 30 days has to vote OR 20% of those active in the last 365 days (I don’t expect 20% of those will ever vote as so many quit very quickly, though).

[quote=“KP708, post:1, topic:65050”]

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[li]any non-vetoed law is approved and published by MA[/ul][/li][/quote]

And published in the Conditions of Use as a new paragraph under “17. Rules of Conduct” :wink:

[quote=“KP708, post:1, topic:65050”]

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[li]sentences can range … and total bans[/ul][/li][/quote]

Please, no death penalty. :frowning:

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oh my, no…

I don’t want any popularly elected charlatans telling me what I can and cannot do. I certainly don’t want them to have any authority over me.

sometimes, total anarchy is the best solution. at least, you understand where you stand, and it doesn’t change because some wiener is interested in stroking his ego.

if there was such a system it would be even more riddled with corruption than our RL systems. in RL, in most democracies, there is the comcept of accountability and recall.

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laws against what? you cant kill anyone, you cant rob someone. you cant do anything “illegal” since MA simple codes it out. i would like to see some sort of contract law implemented, but other than i cant see much scope for laws that aren’t imposing restrictions.

maybe theres a place for a council of arbitration?