Auction mistakes mitigation (999th time is the charm?)

Planet Specific Discussions Planet Calypso
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Ok I’ll do this one last time I think have the energy today. I doubt they will listen since I (and others) have suggested similar things in the past many many times, both on this forum and via Support.

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[HEADING=2]My incomplete and surely imperfect suggestion:[/HEADING]
Introduce delayed bidding and delayed offering.
This new behaviour will be enabled by default, but Mindark will implement a new parameter in the OPTIONS panel so that players can opt-out of this extra security measure. Just like dumb players can opt-out of 2FA.

[HEADING=3] - Delayed bidding:[/HEADING]
When a player bids on an auction offer the bid is put on hold for a certain amount of time. The delay should be short-lived (measured in seconds, not minutes), although you could make the time delay depend on the amount of PED (the higher the bid the longer the delay).
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[li]During this delay the player is allowed to cancel the bid. I’m not a fan of taxes but Mindark will decide if this comes at a cost to the player or it is completely free.[/li][li]During this delay the PED are held by the auction system, that is, taken from the players PED Card.[/li][li]During this delay if the item is sold, cancelled or there is a higher bid from other player the bid will be automatically cancelled and the PED refunded.[/li][li]During this delay if there is an equal bid from other player, the earliest bid will take effect and the other(s) will be cancelled and refunded.[/li][/ul]
After this time delay has passed the bid will take full effect and become public, after which it cannot be cancelled.

[HEADING=3] - Delayed offering:[/HEADING]
When a player creates a new offer on the auction house it’s put on hold instead of becoming public. Same or different rules than with delayed bidding can apply here with respect to the specific amount of time.
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[li]During this delay the player is allowed to cancel the offer. Mindark will decide if the listing tax is refunded or not.[/li][li]During this delay the offer does not take effect. Nobody can see it, nobody can bid on it and it cannot be sold to auction orders.[/li][/ul]
After this time delay has passed the offer becomes public.

Feel free to discuss, but keep things civil please. Thanks.

@My|MindArk @Ludvig|MindArk

This is not a comprehensive list of requirements or conditions, I’m sure I’m missing a lot of potential issues. Honestly that’s kinda your job, right?

Bonus: Take a look at this.

Bonus2: After this has been implemented, you can get rid of the useless “your bid is over XXX% of average markup” warnings.

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I’d also suggest they had decimal separators on all amounts visible in the game.
Seeing 1500000 is far less readable than 1,500,000.

Also to do something for the MU percentage of the 0.00001 PEC items, because a MU of 948751423.45% is not readable at all.
Maybe to use K / M / B as they do in Windows Explorer. :wink:

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The problem we have is expiring timers.

Maybe a solution is a AH limiter a player can set and toggle to a value that suits them. Say the default bid is set at 1000 ped. But you can temporarily override that with a greater value. In other words you can’t bid greater than 1000 on anything, unless you manually enter another max bid value… say 30k for a gun. Then the player auction limiter auto resets back to 1000 after 5 minutes. That way the player is the stop gap rather than an item for sale.

Rick

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Sounds good to me. This should provide both strong protection for one party and assurance of a bid’s finality once it is pubic for the other party. You probably already had this in mind, but for the MindArk reps reading, Opt Out should be a togglable option, NOT like the Inventory Compact warning feature and others where if you check the box once the warning goes away forever with no way to retrieve it (actually I haven’t noticed if this is still the case post inferface update).

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A change in auction is needed for sure - But not in a way where you can cancel a bid, that will be exploited 7 ways from Sunday.

A few changes which would work.

  1. Popup saying “there are items in auction with lower BO than your current bid”
  2. Popup saying “you are currently bidding more than XX% above the average value”
  3. A “increase bid with” button and a “BuyOut” button.
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Exploited how? thanks.

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A pop up that says “STOP you’re bidding your entire f***ing ped card”.

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How about they implement a ‘buyout button’ where it automatically bids the buyout amount with a confirmation box dialogue? Shift the behaviour to buying out auctions instead of arbitrarily increasing the 10’k value to hit the buyout amount.

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Baiting people to overbid. Or in the same way as the scam listings work. Massive bid (in a series of many)> overbid > person didnt realize it was 10k instead of 1k (where 10000% and 100000% and 1000000% they all look the same) and didnt cancel before it was too late.

If you dont set a 5 minute renew on the timer when bid is cancelled, we will be playing the game of chicken till the last second.
If you do set up a 5 minute renew for the timer, people will be hostaging listings for indefinite amount of time. Even if you cap it, i can tell you a story about AH cartels with many avas who will still make you sit there for hours, if this is allowed, just to discourage you.
If you dont allow to cancel bids in the last 5 minutes of the listing… we are on the same spot as before (wrong bid on the heat of the moment and you are done).

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I fail to see how what you describe would be introduced by my delay proposal, it can be done right now this very second.

Did you guys read the first post? during the delay the bid is NOT public and has no effect until the timer runs out. Also you cannot bid twice on the same item, so you would have to cancel your (non-public and non-working) bid before putting in another.

But sure, make it so that this delay mechanism is disabled for the last 10 minutes of any auction offer if that’s such a big problem.

At least we would be protecting players for 99% of an auction lifetime, I would take that over the broken mess we have now.

Cheers.

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I did read the first post.
My reply was for:

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This please.

1,000,000.00 PED

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Would love to see something like this: And instead of ‘markup’ something like PPI/Price Per Item for stackables
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Radio silence from MA, a.k.a. “lol keep dreaming”…

:tiphat:

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Well you had to try for the 999th time. Maybe next time on the 1000th time they’ll listen/care enough to comment on it!
:ROFLMAO:

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Interesting idea, I like it.

I was also thinking of a remade auction system, where you have to manually type the bid you want to place.

Current bid: 10 ped

No BO available,
so for you to accidentally place you whole ped card on the item, you need to manually type the amount available on your ped card. It kind of works as an additional confirmation that you do want to place your bid

no more accidental mouse clicks on the wrong arrow, and suddenly bidding your whole ped card.

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@Ludvig|MindArk Just a heads up.

A new MMO (Throne and Liberty) has this exact thing working on their Auction House. I guess this idea it’s not so crazy or hard to implement…

In that game auctioned items become “waiting to register” for 2 minutes or so before going public, and you can cancel the offer before that happens with just a click (auction tax is not refunded).

:wink:

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Cautiously optimistic that this will be fixed to some extent after VU 19.10 per the following announcement.

The fight is long and hard (hehe) but we never give up !

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I believe Socrates showed us the new auction interface a while back in a stream and mentioned some kind of protection.

Here’s hoping it also tracks people fishing for mistakes and bans them