UMM??? What?! :eyecrazy:You been doing it all long here in this thread?:lolup:
Maybe AUD comes to zero or be bought back from PP, who knows that!
But Iām 100% sure MA will be in the market for another 2-3 decades at least!
Maybe without the same name but thatās all.
sorry OP but anything you uttered so far in this thread sounds like a pretty transparent & lame attempt at creating a panic or somethingā¦
Missed your chance to get your cake on webshop? Now hoping for lower entry price?
Thatās all iām reading between your lines
Not gonna happen :nana:
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Thatās the impression that I got, too.
I dont need 10 years. The original investment is out of the game. And then some. Every ped I withdraw now is just more profit.
[System]: Entropia Universe time: 2016-02-04 17:30:37
aud price in auction for 1 = 67.99
10 = 669.99
Well, we are talking about the money from the deeds, not any other profit you makeā¦
You canāt say āit no risk with the deeds, because I have already earn enough on hunting, crafting, tradeā or what you have doneā¦
Yes? I try to make a valuation of the deeds to predict if the value should go up and down, that was I sad is fundamentally to make a prediction? :scratch2:
And yes we have been doing the same. But whatās kind of odd here is that after stating some very simple facts about the current status of the deeds you are bone dry set in saying that they will loose value and are not worth buying over 50ped? And that there is where you kind of went off on the subject of the thread since the thread subject is asking if the deeds will go up or down in price and not if they are worth it.
But to make if feel as if you won this worthless debate I will say that you are right here. The AUDs will over time be worthless and shouldnāt be bought over 50ped.
You have trouble reading? I bought the stuff when introduced for 1000 ped each, some for 1100 when some anonimous bidder made sure all clds got sold out. I sold those deeds for 1950 mostly last december. In between I got a lot of income, which I withdrew, together with all the profit I made from the rise in price, which I withdrew.
I bought AUDs for 53-55 peds from the rest of the peds which were leftover. This amounted to 2300 and a bit more of AUDs. from the income they generate I will buy some clds again.
But the ultimate message I am trying to send is.. My original investment got payed back with interest and I still have my original investment ingame.. not from hunting, not from crafting, not from trading, pure from cld interest and the almost doubling of the worth of them.
so.. zero risk for me.. because the money I spend back in the day is back on my bank account with interest.
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true 
:yay::yay::yay:
If AUD value is less than 50 ped then aud price will have a tendency to gravitate towards that lower valuation.
We are Only looking at aud and not your profits from CLD.
Considering how long it takes to get your return on investment for AUD it doesnāt make sense to buy them at such inflated values.
People are effectively creating a bubble on AUD with them at current prices and itās liable to burst.
However, people are not behaving logically accordingly to AUD valuations and perhaps they never will start behaving in a logical mannerā¦
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Exactly!
People think CLD arenāt worth 1000 peds, yet they sell for 1700+
People think AUD arenāt worth 50 peds, yet they sell for 65+
In the end it doesnāt matter what individual players think they are worth. Itās a matter of what sellers and buyers think they are worth. Some people need 20% ROI, some are happy with 5% ROI, others donāt care about ROI and just want CLD plots, or want to support a planet partner.
The way it looks now is that CLD will slowly climb back towards 1900, AUD will remain somewhat stable (60-75 peds) due to people selling them now for a nice profit, and will increase in the future when the supply gets lower.
This is off course only till the compet launch, or until some other deeds become available. Then weāll see the usual crash in markup of existing deeds so that people can get the shiny new deeds.
Personally i hope both CLD and AUD drop in markup since i have some of both on my shopping list, but i doubt that will happen anytime soon. (unless i am totally wrong about compets).
https://www.planetcalypsoforum.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=34204&d=1454669933
i have some AUDs, weāll see how much theyāll pay everyday and the AUD price will set on it
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good info 
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You obviously havenāt been around in the game in the last few years. CLD have offered right around 10-12% yearly roi for at least the past year. They are trading at right around 1.75*their original value. I donāt see AUD dropping below an average of 2 pec / day payouts and I think most people commenting negatively in this thread have no idea what payouts consistently have been for the past month. With 2 pec per day average payouts and comparing to CLD then I would say we are going to stay in between 60-70 ped / deed in the long run no problem. It only makes sense. Think about it if CLD go up to 2000 per then that drops there roi even lower. At that point smart investors would switch over to AUD if itās a better buy. Also I think AUD is better because at 60-70 ped it allows a much larger portion of the player base to invest. With CLD trading at such high prices certain players unfortunately just donāt have that kind of money to make the investment.
i think it might be the fact this time last year the payout was about .75/day, yeah there are changes and i think these changes will give about 2/day over the next year (maybe falling to 1-1.5/day towards the last quarter). hopefully there will be some new content added by the end of the year to keep interest in there
quick calc tho, if a CLD earns average 3.5ped/week. Thats 50pec a day. a AUD gets 2pec a day:-
So
50/2= 25, so thats 25 AUD to 1 CLD
a CLD trades for 1800
1800/25 = 72, thats AUD able to hit 72ped before value is the same
You are overestimating CLD payout while underestimating AUDās. Cool.:yup:
What also blows my mind is how people donāt understand how FANTASTIC 5% yearly ROI is.
You canāt get that IRL risk free. ANYWHERE.
25%? Fucking HELL! AMAZING.
5% ROI is enough that most people would never work a day again if they invested their entire savings. Why donāt they? There is no risk free 5%, as it is such a dramatic profit. Yall are insane and have no IRL investments so you hate on virtual ones eh?
not really, avg for CLD over the last year was more than 3.5 a week, and CLD was way less. over the last few weeks AUD have been higher, but they will likely settle down.
doing the same at AUD getting 2.5, makes the AUD 90ped (which after the way they performed before the update is way to high risk) before equal. but if CLD price then dropped to 1600, the AUD equals at 80.
im not hating on them tho, i have 40 AUD and only 2 CLD, so better AUD performance suits me fine
RL currency exchange rates need to be taken into consideration as well, especially if your RL currency isnāt the US dollar. The dollar is very strong against a lot of currencies right now, which I think is crazy since the US is one of the most indebted nations on the planet.
If the dollar falls its potentially good news for deposits, but buying the things when the dollar is high, in real terms would mean youāre nursing a capital loss.
I also think the more different types of deeds that are sold, the greater the exposure to less deposits (short termism). Itās just churning the same peds, so MA could be forced to adjust loot returns if the deposits they need are not coming in. Although that may clean out deed dividends it also has this potential that depositors might not feel theyāre getting good value for money.
Anyway EU never run on common sense, it runs on perceived or manipulated value, always has, always will.
Beware of smoke a mirrors, any investor needs people to depositā¦cash is king.
hereās a scenario for you;
Letās say MA said tomorrow, we can not sustain the level of investors over actual depositors. We need investors to deposit to keep the game afloat.
Would deed holders be prepared to deposit, to save their own investment? or just risk losing the investment.
Rick