I know… it’s hard to say anything in Entropia is a good investment..
but from the caly-fanboy standpoint… if a CLD is a “fair” investment in terms of longevity and returns…
yes of course hard to say anything about moon deeds as they are not even tradeable yet…
small planet… gotta fly to it…
any thoughts relevant to the topic welcome… no right or wrong answer :laugh:
I can only say the Ark Dev team are putting a great deal of work into the Moon. These deeds will generate more and more ROI.
I haven’t been blown away with the CP share returns so far.
Ark moon deeds are the worst investment
Best investment so far are the CP deeds if you bought them at 10 ped/share
Imo all deeds are a to long investment before you get your peds back, but seems an options for those who still want to invest but there are other ways to make more peds faster.
Well, CP shares just became tradeable and it looks like lowest offering at the moment is 17 or so peds a share (for something that originally sold for 10 peds each)… and this is day one… Ark Moon deeds will likely do similar, just like every other blasted deed in this game. It may not be a great investement as far as returns go, but considering you might be able to sell them for more than you purchased them for, it’s a potentially good investment.
Also, it depends on what you mean good investment… I did quite a few compet deeds before it went bust. Although it was lost peds, it was a good investment since I was paying in to the dream… just sad that the dream never became a reality ([SIZE=3][COLOR=“#FF0000”]could be very bitter at all the damn lied about promises that there were involved in this scam but no need to dwell on the negative at the moment…[/SIZE])… if you like Arkadia dev team consider it paying in to the development phase. You may not get rich on it, but if you are ok with being a dreamer like many of us, that may just be ok.
I personally think the new pet is just a Mindark ploy to finally get the deeds out of the webshop many months after they thought they’d be sold out already… and it is, but if you want a pet like that why not.
Personally, as someone that did have the Oratan Axe a while ago before I sold it, with it’s 45 m range for auto loot, I can say the auto loot pets could be handy, but only in certain situations…
If you are a melee user or pistol user they aren’t that great. If you tank huge mobs way over your level with super long range weapons or high damage multi mob weapons like explosives it would be awesome.
Still aren’t as useful as they used to be as in the old days before the new camera system came in, but could be useful in some ways. (Back then you could quick key several keys in such a way that it was literally a one key affair to get next mob with auto loot on… you could do target next with auto tool on and go crazy. Simply press select next and it would automatically do everything for you. New improvements in the camera system may have made that possible again in recent months, but it’s still a bit fiddly… Now you have a bit more work between mobs to get the job done even with auto loot on, especially if your avatar isn’t staring right at the mob in question… but it’s a tradeoff, in some ways new system that won’t let you waste a lot of ammo between mobs if you don’t hit select next fast enough may be good in some folks eyes)
I don’t know what you are smoking, compet deeds was never a good investment. You only had to look at the app to know it was never going to make it, MA were too late to the game with little to no advertising. There were plenty that mentioned it along with other reasons based on MA track record. People were too blinded to the fact that CLD and AUD did well after release so they threw their money at those deeds thinking they were going to double their investment easy.
At this stage in the game with Ark Moon Deeds, you have to weigh up the fact that the moon was released too early, the deeds are still for sale and now MA are using other tactics to try and sell the remaining deeds. I’m sure the Ark dev team are doing their best to continually improve the moon and provide content, however as someone else pointed out on another thread somewhere. Why go pay tax at a moon where you can do the same thing with no tax. There is just not enough incentive at the moment.
Hopes and dreams is nice to have but if you want to invest in something, you need to really consider all aspects and not just pay and pray, otherwise it’s just gambling.
Calypso Land Deeds at 2k PED each give ~9% ROI (source)
Crystal Palace Shares at 17 PED each give ~7% ROI (source)
Arkadia Underground Deeds at 75 PED each give ~4% ROI (source)
Arkadia Moon Deeds at 50 PED each give ~2% ROI (source)
Compet Deeds at whatever price they are give 0% ROI
I would say Arkadia Moon Deeds are a terrible investment, unless you want to bet on their price rise (which I doubt will ever happen).
Cheers
PS: I did the math quick and dirty, do your own calculation if you want accuracy.
What if they give you the robot pet?
Is that making AMD better investment?
Very interesting. Nice comparisation. Thank you very much + rep 
The moon deed returns are utter crap.
The pet you get now is a nice bonus…if you like pets.
Loot pills are much cheaper.
With the additional content that is planned for the moon I think they will be a great investment. The devs are passionate and have already created some interesting missions. I really like the moon, I usually always make money there! I made 500ped in an hour last night on sicarius, all the mobs were dropping masses of loot for their level. I don’t know if this is related to the loot rebalance but I’ll be certainly checking it out again!
Bear in mind also the AUD comparison depends on where the mechs are! They had them on the moon for a while, now back UG. I think they do need to change that, and how the are spawned.
That’s the risk that you take though, buying them cheap now with trust that when the new stuff comes, the roi will increase. Or don’t, and pay twice as much for them when they are tradable.
My opinion is a clear no, but there are plainly people around who disagree, as each time a sophie shows up on the rare finds, it means someone has just bought a load of deeds from the shop. Whether it is mainly because of the cute pet itself, spawnable on all planets from the start apparently, who knows?
The CP shares were for an established part of the game with sizeable revenue. Turnover was still reasonable even with events going on in the summer and has increased from that as we enter autumn. The new market price as of the vu is as it is because the payouts (seem to) justify it, whereas moon deed payouts do not currently justify purchasing of them.
Caly deeds are in a slump at under 3 peds per week, but may revive suddenly if people were holding their peds back to restart burning them when both mission types were active, old and new, which they now are. The market price is at a historical high, but I don’t know why…
AUDs depend partly on underground event mobs being available or not, but still have payouts which could be considered reasonable-ish if your motivation is to support Ark.
Thus, both on their own and in comparision, I do not think moon deeds are currently a good deal in their own right, especially as they are being bought with deposits of real-world money - and not peds already in-game.
And how do you get the price for 1 Moon deed (prices will rise for sure) and Roi for it since were not sold all?
You are right, I should have used 60 PED each instead of 50 PED. That makes them even worse… lol
Their price rising is pure speculation I don’t know why you are so “sure”. Given how much they pay compared to CP or CLD I can’t see why they would increase in price.
I’m being as objective as I can, hence the numbers and the sources I posted.
From my view, it do not worth to buy the package.
AMD ROI is bad and will increase probably in future (Pure speculation).
AMD Markup will maybe rise a day (Pure speculation).
MA will keep hand on the Moon Development. Ark devs planned many improvments but they still wait MA approvment for release them. Ark Devs can’t do what they want and we know MA do not treat well Planet Partners.
Yes the PET look super cool, i really love it but if you look well, this pet is expensive to level up, this pet is expensive to use versus a loot pill and pretty no markup in future.
There is 54k+ AMD for sell (Arkadia Official info). That mean over 1k Sophie PET if all deeds are sold with the package.
The 54k left was 9 months ago, jan 2019.
True. Saw some official statement that 1 month ago were like 32-33k left. They will sell fast now.
This is absolutely spot on!! :beerchug:
As some people seem to have a short memory let me remind you of something. AUDs were seen as a not so great investment, during some time their price stood at around 50-55 ped each. Then they were made tradable and Ark Dev Team introduced the upgrades to the Viceroy armor that were possible with the nanites and a lot of players were gunning for that in the UG. AUDs started performing better then the CLDs and their priced peaked to 85-90 ped each, maybe a bit more if you are were lucky (I sold mine for 95 each). Then came MA and nerfed Focus Blow and made changes to the loot system, this cooled the interrest of players in the Viceroy upgrades.
Ark Dev team has made Arkadia a well established planet with the second best economy in game. Their strategy with the AUDs was spot on and working well until MA decided to change the rules of the game. Im pretty sure Ark Dev team has something special in mind for the Ark Moon and will deliver, as they have with the AUDs.
Then its up to you how you manage your deeds.
Good post because you describe the history of a comparable product. However, I’m not convinced of the longevity of performance for the moon compared to the Underground. It also seems to me to be lessening both - splitting the pot (as with the mechs sometimes being in one, sometimes the other). Personally, I dislike the buy-in to become a smuggler, but then again I don’t know much of how either the Underground or CP is currently about levelling/missioning your way to accessing special areas, which would be similar to the smuggler buy-in I guess.
If more info becomes available I may change my balance of opinion. For the last 6 months at least, buying CP shares back in the spring was the far better investment, but maybe some players will cash in and switch to buying moon deeds in the hope of more of the same pattern. If moon deeds manage to sell out via the webshop now, then ok, financing achieved, and they will be available for peds as well soon from other players.
Mind explaining how 11.81% @ 10 peds translates to ~9-10% ROI???
My calculation shows 6.947% @ 17 peds/share. Thats way off i would say.
You are absolutely right, let me fix it.
I did warn about my quick and dirty math…lol