Time for FPC to reclaim the abandoned apartments

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If the game rules is that you can own an estate without paying the rent, the user just utilising the system. I see no fault in that.
Yes MA/FPC can create new estates with new rules, but they should not change the rules for the existing ones.

Maybe the buyer had an intent with his estate that you doesn’t understand. I own three estates, and I pay the fees when I need access to them. I use them for different reasons and I have another long term plan for them(not investment).

As other say in this thread, if MA hadn’t fucked up decorations of your estate due to VU10, there might have been more things going on. I see the estates as a force in the ingame business. If decoration, furniture etc had bigger divercity and you could use your estate in better ways, the ingame markets for estates and estate related items should boom.

The problems with estates is NOT unpayed rent. And as others say, if u wan’t an estate buy one.

I would like to see small basic estates for all users, for free!
Example, something like a small box, underground.
https://www.planetcalypsoforum.com/gallery/files/7/7/1/4/korbendallas1_thumb.jpg
Or let us live in tents/plants or whatever is available.
https://www.planetcalypsoforum.com/gallery/files/7/7/1/4/homesweathome_thumb.jpg

Free basic estates with room for 15 items or so would make a market for decorations, the ones who need mnore space should go buy a real one.

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Thanks LeWolf for understanding my point.

Sure there are some apartments for sale. But the price those apartments are being sold for is based on an inflated value.

I’m not going to pay +400 PEDs for a 1 room apartment when thousands of them have been abandoned for 4+ years.

Here is a challenge - if you have an apartment that you’re not using and you want to sell it - list it for TT+250 PEDs with no buyout and let the free market decide the price.

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Why should I pay the fee and open up any of my apts, when decorating still is a part that is not working at least a bit more reliable?

That’s the first good reason I’ve heard for a long time. I am in the same position. I have an apartment which I would like to decorate, but as there are still things not working I do not want to waste my PED when I know I will not be able to produce the effect I want.

I think MA/FPC should remove the monthly fee (or reduce it by like 90%) to encourage people to use them. More decorations and furniture would be crafted and bought.

I have an apartment that I don’t use, cause of the fee.

I still think the suggestion of making the monthly fee compulsory but making it (say) one quarter of the current fee would be an effective way of opening up the apartments with no extra costs to those who only use them a few times a year.

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You obviously do not watch the auction. Just this past week there was an apartment that was initially listed well below TT+250… in fact, I bid on it somewhere around TT+150.

The free market determined the price. :wink:

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Personally Id love a booth… but prices for most remain extremely high IMO… With my belief that prices are to drop in time I dont want to buy at par because I believe prices to drop soon… and if I buy at par… I believe in future Ill be screwed while the seller/owner will be happy since he got what he needed/wanted… leaving me with the risk…

Prices for booths are not all that high… 5k is very cheap compared to the price of shops, especially mall shops!

If you got 10k, since you are a friend, I might let you rent my booth for free, or very cheaply with the 10k as collateral… if there’s a fee it’d be small (how about 12 ped a month, just so I can cover my shop’s rent and get whatever profits I end up with as profits instead of having to lose 12 ped automatically to the landlord)! I’ll just cycle the 10k peds on auction at tt+0 bids til you are ready to hand the deed back over to me. This would free up some peds for me and give you a chance to see what you could do with the place. If it worked out, I might start buying up more deeds in the area to make Omegaton the suburban shop heaven it was meant to be… slowly acquire all deeds and rent them out like the mall shop owners should have done but did not (well, all except Emerald Lake’s owner - who is horading the top floor for some silly reason, and not even renting them out)

Its a double ended sword… I understand both sides… What needs to happen is MA needs to open up more frozen estates that they hold… this might fuck over current owners… since it could cause price to drop… but… at the same time itll help MA out with possible people who will pay their rents or then again maybe more prospectors will come in… Either way… I think prices are due to drop… problem is no one enjoys selling at a loss… and if their is no rush to sell and no fees to pay to keep the estate then they can sit on it FOREVER until price goes up… thats what I hate…

There really are tons of estates MA never released… don’t believe me come take a look at Beta and Alpha buildings in Omegaton. I’d honestly love it if prices wen down since I could buy up more real estate cheaply. I suspect Rocktropia and other planets will cause lower prices due to supply/demand… but only for a while. Then prices will come back up since the number of deeds in the entire virtual universe is still limited in quantity…

I think MA/FPC should remove the monthly fee (or reduce it by like 90%) to encourage people to use them. More decorations and furniture would be crafted and bought.

I completely agree with you on that. What I think they should do is move away from a pay x amount per month deal and move towards a pay some %… make the payment to MA sort of like an extra “federal” tax on top of the local LA tax that already exists for all shop sales… This would work well for all places except maybe the apartments since they don’t automatically have shopkeepers… for those, MA should put shopkeepers in the Trade Terminal with a zero ped value and make it so that you cannot TT the new versions of the Shopkeepers… That way you can repair them, and pay MA in the form of decay instead of in the form of rent fees.

I would like to see small basic estates for all users, for free!
Example, something like a small box, underground.

That’s called storage, and it already exists… there’s 500 on Calypso, 500 on each astroid, and 500 on other planets I think… there’s literally tons of item slots you get free, far more then there used to be.

Thanks LeWolf for understanding my point.

Sure there are some apartments for sale. But the price those apartments are being sold for is based on an inflated value.

I’m not going to pay +400 PEDs for a 1 room apartment when thousands of them have been abandoned for 4+ years.

Here is a challenge - if you have an apartment that you’re not using and you want to sell it - list it for TT+250 PEDs with no buyout and let the free market decide the price
Of course he understands your point since he’s in the same boat you are in. You are both looking for a cheap place because you both potential buyers. 400 peds is cheap… when they first came out they were 300 peds or so I think.

As mentioned above with my booth, if you want to, talk to me, and I might “rent” you my apartment deed if it does not sell on the auction in the next couple of days… Just pay me about 2k ped collateral… I’ll simply cycle the peds on auctions with +0 start bids, and pay you the collateral back later if you want the peds back. You win since you get an apartment. I win since I get more peds to cycle in auction. We both win since we can trade back later.

We also both win since we can stay in contact. I think the biggest mistake original estate owners made was selling their places instead of just renting them out, even though the game does not really let you rent stuff out since all trades are final - but with trust, anything is possible. I love having more than one estate in the same building. It makes it possible to do a lot more than just having multiple estates scattered all over the continent. The original owners of the LAs should have taken that in to account and used it, but did not so now god knows who owns what, especially since the estate terminals lie up until the time that a place is claimed.

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From the VU notes for 7.2:

The apartments will be available through the auction and have the buyout price set to 250 PED for the small apartment

In addition to everything else having apartments actually being used creates a PED sink that helps to keep inflation in check.

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I agree…

I own an apartment on CND, but, I don’t mine much there anymore. Sometimes for as much as 6 months, I don’t go, so…why should you want MA to take my apartment?

Seoul:scratch2:

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how about adding much more different parts of furniture, with lower tt value and cheap to craft? :slight_smile:

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It would not change my behaviour, I’d still not pay my rent.
I (hardly) play Entropia without depositing, and with something in game having a monthly fee is very contra productive in a ‘free’ game.

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From the VU notes for 7.2:

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The apartments will be available through the auction and have the buyout price set to 250 PED for the small apartment

I’m curious how much of a startbid Neverdie is going to put on the apartments on the Rock? I suspect it’ll be above 300 peds but under 1k…?

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They’ve gone away from the ‘free to play’ marketing ploy.

Planet Calypso takes the MMORPG genre to an exciting new level. With No Subscription Fees, you can [B]Download the Free Software[/B] now, and join a real economic action-adventure as a human colonist on a distant alien world

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Now this is a good question! I’m guessing around 750 PED to start.

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While it does suck that there is so much “property” (whether apts., shops, equipment, etc.) that seems to be in the hands of “dead avatars”, I believe it would be wrong to confiscate anything “for the good of the people”.

Dead apts., LAs, etc. are the occasional price we pay for allowing private property, whether IRL or ingame.

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:scratch2: Why stop at the appartements?
If somebody has an item and not spent repair bills with it in 6 months, he get’s the TT value and it gets recycled.
Bad idea?
I think there is not that much of a difference in a gun,armour,tool or an appartment, no one should be forced to pay “taxes” for something he does not use. There are quite a few available appartements out there, if you look how the prices on them fall, rather more then needed. Sure would it be cool if everyone could get a G appartement, but if everyone can get an unlimited number of everything, where is the investment and the market?
If somebody bought a few appartements for a few K 5 years ago and has still not sold them, this means that his PEDs are still bound in the economy and he has not sold out.
Sure sucks, would also like a cheap G appartment, but then again I really do not need one right now and with more storage area on more planets, I doubt I ever will.

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thoreau, seriously… get a grip!

The game is indeed free to download, and free to play. You are not forced to deposit by MA/FPC thugs.

Is certainly is NOT a “free-to-play, gimme-the-rights-to-squat-an-empty-apartment, lower-apartments-prices-below-a-certain-level” game.

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on squatting…

As far as apartment squatting goes… any apartment with the estate broker as the owner still has a door that’s operational… and you can drop stuff on the balcony of those any time you want. Yes, others can come and pick them up, but what do you expect when you are homeless and trying to claim another avatar’s place?!? :wink:

If you look on the auction, you can even find some boxes… buy some of those, stick your stuff in it, and go live on someone’s balcony. Don’t like being homeless? Stop complaining and buy a deed! :slight_smile:

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Originally bought an apartment to fully furnish, and decorate it as a place to hang out with people. However as time went on I found that it was rarely ever used - other than the occasional nosey people wandering in. So scrapping that idea, it began to be act as an extended storage for items (such as guns, armour, interesting looted items etc) that I rarely use. All arranged in a presentable way for those curious enough to visit storeroom. :wink:

After VU 10, all items were bunged into storage boxes, and I’ve not yet got around to redecorating. Like Pirx said, it’s best waiting until the decorating system is fully working again. Then maybe I’ll redo it… heh, that’ll be a fun and expensive weekend.

I know there’s a lot of unused apartments, and I think that a large proportion of them have their deeds in now inactive/locked avatars. The initial price of them set by MindArk was 250PED, so I think it’s only fair to refund that (what can be considered) “TT value” and stick the deeds back on auction for those of us who actually play. I mean imagine if all the avatars owning apartments stopped playing (as an example). It would mean areas/part of the game would be completely unused and pointless. May as well recycle them.

Or, if FPC is feeling somewhat needy in funds, they could just copy/paste an apartment complex, add a new TP and put them on auction. Even if it costs them 155,000PED to place a new TP (heh), they’d still make a profit. :wink:

But no retaking from active avatars. I like my yearly extra MindArk gift! :laugh: Though I vow to sell my apartment on auction before leaving this game for good!

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Not sure what hes saying, but is there any left of what he ate ?

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Interestingly enough, you made this post a little under ten hours ago.

This apartment with a SB of TT+0.99 and no buyout has been on auction for about twelve hours. :wtg:

[COLOR=“Blue”][B]Beta North, 10D
Current Bid TT+3.99
Current High Bidder: [COLOR=“Gray”]Mono Chrome Monochrome

[COLOR=“Red”]Time Remaining: 5:11:35[/B]

I look forward to bidding against you for free market price!!! :yay:

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The problem is people bouth those flat…
If MA take them back its stealing…

if i have a weapon that i didnt use since years in my storage , should MA take them back because i dont decay them often enought ?

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