Sweat at auction

Planet Specific Discussions Planet Calypso
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first of all, this is not a “rise the sweat price thread”, it might lead to that, but it isnt the intention from the start
the intention was more about fair market, even(or especially) for newbies who sweat actually or sweaters in general

the idea came up in soc chat yesterday during a discussion about sweat resellers

and, it had some valid points

first of all, simple fairness
you can sell fruits and dung at auction, even 0 ped mentor edition gifts (it is on purpose that i name them after dung, but that isn’t the topic here)
fruits and dung can be found, are free, have the same tt of sweat, and are used as resources for “by the way” professions
read, either just tames/pet holders or landowners need it

sweat is used by the MF users in the end

but while those could buy fruit and dung at auction, to refine themselves, they couldn’t do that with sweat that is cutting the market down on the end users side

second point would be the ppl that actually buy sweat
i doubt a big percentage of the ppl who use MF (all sorts of that uses ME) can actually be arsed to go to say PA and buy the sweat there :stuck_out_tongue:
most don’t
but maybe they would buy sweat and refined themselves at auction, might be cheaper in the end (and MF is overall expensive, so a bit saved cash wouldn’t hurt)
generally, the price is more or less determined by those who actually stand for hours there and buying the sweat

Now, i have to say that i protected those sweat resellers in the discussion kinda, for providing a service, and providing ME in the end
this is as long true as long you have other options to get the resources
say, you can also buy lyst at auction
if a reseller bundles it, and a crafter rather pays a bit more for higher amounts, you can’t say much against it
still, the last miner had the option to put it into auction, but decided not to do it (had to get cash faster, too low amount, whatever)

sweaters don’t
this is cutting market down on the start supplier side

now, even if I dislike the sweat price revolution threads, because it is true
sweat is worth what its worth, and what the market would pay for it
just that the market isn’t open atm, or not as open as it could be
(you simply cannot ask a newbie to get a refiner and loads of nexus at high prices first, to be able to produce ME; yes, he could deposit, but that isn’t the point)

so, basically, it is a matter of fairness to open this market as any other too

since we have auction fees based on markup now, and even pretty nice catergories, where just sweat could be placed (say, under mindforce-Mind essence)
it wouldn’t cause any “sweat spam” that you don’t see anything else, but allowing newbies to sell the sweat where they want to
and in the end allows them to sell the sweat to a broader consumer base than it is possible at the moment

does this allow resellers to live with auction too now?
ya, for sure, but not much better than before
there is no real difference if you stand for 10 hours buying sweat and buy ME at 145% at buyout, or stand for 10 hours buying the same amount of sweat and sell the sweat at auction
simply because the % (and the fee) you pay on the ME already includes the sweat kinda

could the standard newbie afford the auction fee and does he have something of it?
at the beginning most likely not, might have to sell to a buyer he finds, maybe even at lower price
in the end he would have real offical market data, and not a kinda set 0.6 or 0.5 or whatever number

there is about 400 000 sweat gathered per day (might be more or less, but i guess we could come to that amount easily, if i have the latest ME sales numbers correctly in mind) without having a real at least quite confirmed data what it is worth

price might rise with being able to auction, but also fall, who knows

the MF users would have a new choice too
there might be miners who just mine for nexus, and sweat a bit themselves
if they dont want to go to PA or so, they have to buy ME in the end
with sweat at auction that wouldnt have to happen
means, the price for ME might go back (even without a decreasing of sweat prices) and MF might become a bit more affordable (ok, minimal more :D)

so, my opinion on this is kinda “yes, why not ^^”

edit, i will most likely bleed for this thread :smiley:

edit2, seems there is a petition ongoing :wink:
https://www.planetcalypsoforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=73276

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Ofcorse sweat should be able to be traded in auction.
The fact that it can’t is just ridiculous.

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it will remove lots af chat spam in PA :smiley: Agree

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Yeah, but dung should be there too then. :slight_smile:

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it isnt? :eek:

oops :silly2:

happens when you dont watch too carefully :rolleyes: :laugh:

alright, dung for auction too then ! :smiley:

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but considering the auction fee …

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gives people the choice to buy in auction, or on the streets like everthing else (Bar dung) and pay, or not pay the fee.

So put sweat in auction

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if you have the fee on the ME or the sweat is kinda the same

with dung it is a another thing ^^

but til now i havent seen many “rise the dung price” threads :smiley:
(although, there would be many nice word constructions with that…)

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I agree. Sweat and dung shoud be sold at auction too. Why? Because …
[ul]
[li]… fruits (being sold at auction) can be found in the nature, have almost no value (see the horrendous markup% at auction), can be refined with sweetstuff (being sold at auction) to nutriobars (being sold at auction), which are used by my pet (and other pets).[/li][li]… dung can be found in the nature, have almost no value, can be refined with growth molecules (being sold at auction) to fertilizer (being sold at auction), which are used by land owners.[/li][li]… sweat can be found in the nature, by sweating animals, have almost no value, can be refined with force nexus (being sold at auction) to mind essence (being sold at auction), which are used by mind force users.[/li][/ul]
So, almost no difference between the value and the usage of dung, fruits and sweat. The only one, you find fruits and dung accidentally, but you can actively get sweat.

So, when fruits are at auction, dung has to be too at auction. Sweat also.

:slight_smile:

:rofl:

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Yes yes Yes

If I can put totally useless things up for auction like damaged (L) items and basic filters then I should be able to put anything in auction!!! :yay: :yay:

Make room in the auction for sweat and everything else that you can not currently auction

The nice side effect would be that it would put an end to all the sweat price threads and once the price is established in the auction noobs as well as those who do not buy or sell sweat often would have some thing to base what they should / could be buying/ selling sweat for.

In the end it will help prevent some scaming of noobs how have no idea what sweat is worth.

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i cross my fingers in hope that this is something that will come to pass. it always seemed so weird sweat wasn’t on auction. and now with the ingame graphs for item prices, we can truly watch the price of sweat. i also think sweat resellers will be hurt but not knocked out. i say let it on the auction block!!:yay:

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Why not, but it will lose value concidering auction fee and you would have comercialize sweat bad for everyone that uses ME. Single buyer will buy up all the sweat at PA or sweatcamp and auction at hi price. Now we will be stuck with a reseller selling us sweat I see this as bad for us all. Look at what the resellers have already done to the game. I bought an ML45 last summer for 4200ped, after resellers got it what 16-17K now :scratch2:

Keep sweat off the auction!!! If you use ME, if your new to game or your a reseller yes you would want it on auction.

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I voted yes but I think an obvious factor is being overlooked. Noobs come into this game and start sweating. By having to sell it on the street it promotes having to interact with other people. And that is a huge component of what EU is all about. I always felt, chat spam aside, that the street faire type sales create a more vibrant community atmosphere in a few areas. Just enough to show us that EU is full of living breathing people.

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oh, people will still be selling stuff on the street. that will never stop. they sell everything on the street.

however, i do feel this will hinder sweat resellers more than help. it will give noobs an alternative place to sell their sweat.

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Great logic and I agree.

Sadly there is one difference…sweat isn’t found. It’s something you go and get reliably from mobs unlike fruit or dung which are random and pretty rare.

No reason it shouldn’t be in auction as long as MA get the fee in the end though. In fact people knowing they are getting a fair market price would encourage them not to quit early on as I’m sure many do when faced with hawking sweat at PA in lag zone.

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petition

I am not trying to hijack this thread .. I agree with it and hope to offer help with it.

Petition to add sweat and dung to auction link:

https://www.planetcalypsoforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=73276

Bones

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um well on the sweat on auction thing.. bad idea b/c who wants to give up their money to sell sweat on auction.. as is its hard enuf getting started as a noob. and people quit b/c of this. we see a ton of noobies quitting and not staying.

imagine if they had to lose even more money by auction fees…

bad idea IMHO

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Agree 100% robbing noobs

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more or less

the thing is, there is around 400 000 sweat gathered each day

(150-200 newbies a day, you get around 1k sweat per day, so 150 000, newbies quit after 2 days usually, so you have the 150k*2, and i guess there are some more sweaters around, so 400 000 isn’t that far from thinking)

hard for a reseller to get it all

and, at the moment resellers have it already, just that they refine it to ME before before they auction it

if you pay fee for sweat or later for ME is quite the same

another thing that speaks about really high prices is the fact that everything in MF is very uneco
the higher the sweat price, the less ppl will buy
and that all the tp chip users pay 300% i don’t see tbh
somewhere they simply start to sweat for their own supply

and the ml is another thing
basically this kind of stuff doesn’t drop anymore, more and more rare…
ME not really
loads of ME sold each day

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what is ML?