If so, then let’s ban smoking all together, inside houses, etc … really, just how far can we take it if it isn’t allowed in a park??? It’s like living in a police-state
I’m all for a total ban. We wouldn’t have a problem if smokers kept their bad habit to themselves, but they are obviusly not mature enough to realize that their favorite drug casues harm to others when used in public.
And about cars… If I’m at the bus stop one morning and 20 cars drive by, I hardly notice any toxic fumes. If one smoker comes up next to me and starts smoking, I will notice it (I will have a hard time breathing, my clothes will smell like crap the whole day, etc).
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Again agreed car fumes is worse. But so what. All bits help if they can start with smoking because it’s easier to do so and move to hydrogen cars later that’s fine to me.
Maybe out of proportion but just to get my point across: Would you say it’s ok for me to go capture an iraquee and lock him away without any access to jurists etc. because he is the brother of some guy who talked to some guy who said the word bomb in Arabian? Thereby completely ignoring the convention of Geneva.
In the ‘cars pollute too’ logic they shouldn’t sue me for it, afterall I know one gouvernment which does it on much larger scale and they should be priotorised.
(And please don’t take this as some anti-USA rant, for anyone who thought that. I spent 3 minutes thinking to come up with that example damnit :silly2: )
I realise my views are very idealistic and might not be very realistic. I wouldnt’ want to be anything else then an idealist though :yup:
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Make smoking illegal… Why not? Most people are too stupid to read the warnings on the boxes anyway. Besides, why let some addictive destructive drugs being legal while some are not?
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Make smoking illegal… Why not? Most people are too stupid to read the warnings on the boxes anyway. Besides, why let some addictive destructive drugs being legal while some are not?
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Right, just like Alcohol, Perscription Drugs, Caffiene, Chocolate and the like.
Make it all illegal so we are all unfeeling robots under complete control of the elected officials, who by the way, represent the majority, which happens to be made up of the most ignorant and unedjucated portion of the population.
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Make it all illegal so we are all unfeeling robots under complete control of the elected officials, who by the way, represent the majority, which happens to be made up of the most ignorant and unedjucated portion of the population.
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Right, just like Alcohol, Perscription Drugs, Caffiene, Chocolate and the like.
Make it all illegal so we are all unfeeling robots under complete control of the elected officials, who by the way, represent the majority, which happens to be made up of the most ignorant and unedjucated portion of the population.
Yeah, that sounds like fun…
DD
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LMAO- Ya! That’s what I’m getting at! If we make smoking illegal, then what about cheeseburgers? What about wearing heels that hurt your feet while standing doing a retail job for 8 hrs a day?? And how about all of those kids who sit in daycare without seeing the light of day more than an hour a day while their parents are at work… tsk tsk tsk.
The point is… there are things only WE can take responsibility for and control imo. We can all agree to disagree.
And Darkener, frankly the fumes from cars does bother me, esp from trucks. It is awful. We have emissions testing here where I live, of course, but often times cars will drive with poor emissions until their tests are due… in the mean time I need to breathe in their crappy fumes :mad: that imho is far worse than some1 smoking in a park.
Ah- and my initial point earlier in this thread was that I personally fail to see the importance of a park ban… I literally rarely see ppl smoking in public places… other than bars. Whereas cars are all over all the time :wise:
My point was that smokers cause harm to others, maybe not to you, but to me and I guess other people. It’s not about you, the smoker, it’s about everyone around you.
So no, we shouldn’t ban cheesburgers because you wont get lung cancer if I eat one.
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My point was that smokers cause harm to others, maybe not to you, but to me and I guess other people. It’s not about you, the smoker, it’s about everyone around you.
So no, we shouldn’t ban cheesburgers because you wont get lung cancer if I eat one.
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But I might have to sit next to your fat disgusting ass on the plane…
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My point was that smokers cause harm to others, maybe not to you, but to me and I guess other people. It’s not about you, the smoker, it’s about everyone around you.
So no, we shouldn’t ban cheesburgers because you wont get lung cancer if I eat one.
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but it would be okay to ban booze then? That causes many problems like domestic violence, assaults, crime etc.
But I might have to sit next to your fat disgusting ass on the plane…
Ok I’ll skip the cheese next time. For you. :silly2:
but it would be okay to ban booze then? That causes many problems like domestic violence, assaults, crime etc.
Where I live there are huge taxes on alcohol, you can only buy it from special government stores and you can’t drink in public places, just because of those reasons.
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My point was that smokers cause harm to others, maybe not to you, but to me and I guess other people. It’s not about you, the smoker, it’s about everyone around you.
So no, we shouldn’t ban cheesburgers because you wont get lung cancer if I eat one.
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First off stop thinking I am a smoker PLS! You’re response implies that you assume I am.
FOR THE RECORD… I do not smoke. Myself and my husband raise one son in a completely smoke-free home. We eat things like TOFU, VEGETABLES and YOGURT. We enjoy the OUTDOORS. My son is rarely in front of a tv.
I am the daughter to a world-champion swimmer who won two gold medals in the 1976 Olympics in Montreal… not that any1 cares but to say the least I was raised in an EXTREMELY HEALTH CONSCIOUS family
My point with the burgers and children in daycare is that there ARE things that affect others. Being a parent myself I fully recognize how my choices affect my son. therefore, if we are to ban smoking in a place such as a park, let’s really think about banning smoking in homes with kids! Pls! I’m not being sarcastic actually :wise: And while we’re at that, let’s ban all the fat-ass parents out there who care nothing about what their kids do or eat or watch… they are imposing SERIOUS health risks to CHILDREN FFS!
The problem as I see it is that there are countless things which ought to be banned… and the vast majority of them take precedence to banning smoking in a park :rolleyes:
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Myself and my husband raise one son in a completely smoke-free home. We eat things like TOFU, VEGETABLES and YOGURT. We enjoy the OUTDOORS.
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damn hippies! I thought they were wiped out in the 70’s :mad:
A little nuance: alcohol, caffeine, fatness ( :dunno: ) and the like aren’t a health risk for the people around the person (using them). And there are laws forbidding you to be a risk for someone’s health when it comes to drinking too much alcohol. Why not do the same for smoking? Ban it from the moment it harms others. Which is from the first cig really.
Anyways like I said before I’d be happy if smoking got banned from public buildings :yup:
Does anyone have more information as to why smoking got banned from that park? For all we know they might have done it because people kept throwing their cigarette’s in the grass etc… which would be a valid reason imho.
But I might have to sit next to your fat disgusting ass on the plane…
I have loads of reasons why I don’t want to sit next to a smoker, you want to elaborate about your reasons for not wanting to sit next to a ‘fat disgusting ass’? :dunno:
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I have loads of reasons why I don’t want to sit next to a smoker, you want to elaborate about your reasons for not wanting to sit next to a ‘fat disgusting ass’? :dunno:
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It was made as a lighthearted remark to point out that there are similarities behind some of the superficial reasons non-smokers would like smoking banned and a silly remark such as mine about fat people.
The ‘you’ and the ‘I’ are used in the same fashion as the person I was retorting to as a way of showing the personal way these statements can be taken.
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Where I live there are huge taxes on alcohol, you can only buy it from special government stores and you can’t drink in public places, just because of those reasons.
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i guess that’s Sweden then - I’ve lived there and seen the massive queues in those “bolagets” and also the amount of pissed Swedes in Stockholm on the last weekend of the month, having to be dragged off the streets by police with big bats :laugh:
but i guess thats not a health issue or causing offence to anyone.
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Where I live there are huge taxes on alcohol, you can only buy it from special government stores and you can’t drink in public places, just because of those reasons.
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i guess that’s Sweden then…
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Eh ok :silly2: I missed Darkaner’s post with the ‘you’s’ in it, fast growing thread.
I think that there’s only one reason people want smoking banned, namely the health risks smokers cause to others. Nothing superficial about that I’d say. :saint:
If we make smoking illegal, then what about cheeseburgers? What about wearing heels that hurt your feet while standing doing a retail job for 8 hrs a day?? And how about all of those kids who sit in daycare without seeing the light of day more than an hour a day while their parents are at work… tsk tsk tsk.