Ridiculous Sweat Prices must be STOPPED

Entropia Universe Professions MindForce
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Hello all, my name in game is Alphabetical Che’ Numerical. If you have anything hateful to say, say it to me in-game please. Dont waste EF’s space.

My post today, is one that seeks to stop the rising sweat prices. Atm, sweat can go from 3.9pec/bottle to 4.2pec/bottle. It has rised drastically in the past couple months, and you know why? Instead of people agreeing on one permanent price for sweat, everyone wants to bid 0.1pec higher than the next guy, which really gets me annoyed. Why? Because it is because of this, that sweat has risen 2pecs in the past 3months.

Many of you, may not now that sweat actually started at 1.1-1.2pec/bottle in 2003. Many people busted their chops sweating 1k for their measly 12ped, not even getting the high amounts (up to 8!) sweat that we get today. People didnt complain about sweat for a long, long time. But then conceived in some evil belly, began this huge influx of stubborn noobs who demand that depositing people pay huge sums of money for some stupid little bottles of sweat. Now it is a fact, that a noob who sweats for the entire day, will make more money than a hunter who deposited 10$ and hunted mobs at the end of the day. I dont know about you, but this just isnt right!

Look at this scenario, the price of sweat goes up to 5pec/bottle(this could happen in 2 weeks at the current rate of inflation). Nexus would be say 120%. Buy 100 Sweat for 5ped, 100 Nexus for 1.2ped. So thats 6.2ped for 100 ME. Now a normal man, would need profit, since the majority of the ME users I know, dont refine it themselves. So you go to PA and shout Selling ME, 635% CHEAP!!! @ Boxes!!!. I dont know about you, but which crackpot is it that is going to pay 6.35pecs for 1 single charge of ME. If a chip uses 4 ME, thats like 25pec per use. And I can assure you, that chip wont be doing 100+ damage. So it seems that most people will stop using ME.

Whats wrong with this you ask? Well in my eyes, if people stop using ME, that will be a nasty slap to the economy’s already red, sore backside. Why? Because no ME users means nobody will buy noobs sweat. They are too stubborn and lazy to accept the lower prices, and they will not get anybody to buy their sweat, so they will just quit. Nexus, would stop selling, because I dont see any BPs that require Nexus, do you? And if sweat and Nexus arent being sold, then how will ME be produced? I have no clue. I dont want to see one of PE’s coolest professions go down the drain. I want to stop it, so any of you that support me, please put your prices down to something reasonable like 2 or 3pec/bottle. It is still high, but many people complain. You know why?

Because apparently, more than 25% of the traders in PE, make a little bit of their reselling living by going to Camp Phoenix, buying sweat from the sweaters there for 3.8-4pec/bottle, then they go to PA and sell it for buffed up prices like 4.1 and 4.2pec/bottle and guess what they get buyers. They have a comfy standard of living, and dont want it to be ruined.These high prices mean higher profits for them. If it were lowered, they wouldnt be making as much profit. From now on, if I am going to buy sweat I will buy it at 3pec/bottle. I hope other people consider this and buy sweat at 3pec/bottle. Maybe we can have a uniform sweat price. That would be awesome, so please buy sweat at 3pec/bottle. Thank You

Alphabetical Che’ Numerical
A.K.A
Che’/Trizzle

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Well if sweaters don’t get what they feel is enough ped for them (you make less money per hour than almost every state’s minimum wage lol), they will quit playing PE as it is “too time consuming” and “too much work for too little.” You may say wtf how is that too much work? All they do is sit there and click a button! Well don’t hunters just sit there and click a button too? lol The reason many people despise sweating, or that particular sitting and clicking, is because its boring as hell. Many people won’t play a game they find boring. In any case, if all the noobs quit, then I have no place to get sweat. Also the price of nexus drops as you said before, but also as a hunter I have no one to sell my pixie and ep17s to, crafters have no one to buy their rascal, etc etc.

I’m not really giving a solution, but I MA made sweat a market influced thing. It WILL flucuate. And there really aren’t many new players coming into PE.

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While I agree with most of your post Che’, when sweating and mind essence initially came out, people were paying 2.5-3 pec a bottle. Over time, sweat prices fell to the 1 pec a bottle area. I guess what I’m saying is, its like a cycle, it has its ups and it’s downs but eventually it evens itself out. Besides, as long a majority of players are willing to buy at those prices, sellers will continue to sell at those prices.

Principles of a free market economy. As supplies dwindle demand goes up and so do prices. As demand goes down and supplies go up, prices go down. There has to be a balance. A fair and reasonable prices will eventually be achieved. Perhaps not the 1pec per bottle that some players want, but to them I say MF is a luxury and as such don’t expect it to be cheap as dirt or it wouldn’t be a luxury.

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i read that MA plans to expand to Asia - Largest MPGRGWH (can never remember that criptogram) so there will be a flood of noobs and what will they do? sweat.
so i can see sweat going back to 1 or even less. So have some patience :smiley:

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I agree with most of your post too Che’, but its the resellers that are driving the greed behind sweat and ME prices.As you saw when I was at phoenix…I’m starting to shut down the sweat farm at Phoenix while I’m there.. Most of the noobs were bitching that they dont get enought for the sweat…so I’m gonna make 'em work for it instead of standing around sweating easy prey. Think I’ll visit north of the Citadel too :slight_smile: I’ll probably kill every mob I see being sweated everywhere I go.

Will it drive away some newbs ? you bet it will !
Will it bring down the price of sweat ? I doubt it.
Will I stop buying sweat? Already have.

The problem is …EVERYONE has to stop buying and using it in order to change things. But we know that will never happen.

Let the freeloaders go else where. This is my “Official” declaration of a sweat embargo. :laugh:

Az

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If somebody wants to reduce sweat right now, I suggest you increase
the production, since now it is so difficult, that most noobs skip it over.
A constructive suggestion, sweating in a ring:

http://www.saunalahti.fi/~pavone/PE/sweaters.JPG

Naturally, this is tricky as trying to organise anything more complex than
a simple “hunting team” is difficult in online games in general. :laugh:
But here is the scheme if you want to try:

[ul]
[li]A guy with c. 1k in FA skill brings in medium sized mob one at a time.[/li][li]6-10 sweaters close the animal in the circle. It attacks circle members…[/li][li]healer runs around outside and heals where the animal is[/li][li]if enough many sweaters, the animal does not get stuck[/li][li]…and griefers cannot hit the animal[/li][/ul]

The mob tries to attack the healer sometimes, and may either get stuck
between two sweaters or break out. It must be let back in. This happens
more often if there are idle loiters nearby the ring.

The healer gets skills, company and central position in a common activity.
Don’t be moody and lonely anymore, help noobs to sweat more! They really
try to sweat as much as they can!

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hey hey hey! I was a “freeloader” at one time. I did grunt work… running, being a walking billboard, sweating. I’ve done it all at one point or another. Some of these freeloaders are doing that to get a feel for the game. I got up to about 200ped before I deposited. I guess what I’m saying is that not everyone doing grunt work like that is going to freeload off everyone else.

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[QUOTE=Azrael]
I agree with most of your post too Che’, but its the resellers that are driving the greed behind sweat and ME prices.As you saw when I was at phoenix…I’m starting to shut down the sweat farm at Phoenix while I’m there.. Most of the noobs were bitching that they dont get enought for the sweat…so I’m gonna make 'em work for it instead of standing around sweating easy prey. Think I’ll visit north of the Citadel too :slight_smile: I’ll probably kill every mob I see being sweated everywhere I go.

Will it drive away some newbs ? you bet it will !
Will it bring down the price of sweat ? I doubt it.
Will I stop buying sweat? Already have.

The problem is …EVERYONE has to stop buying and using it in order to change things. But we know that will never happen.

Let the freeloaders go else where. This is my “Official” declaration of a sweat embargo. :laugh:

Az
[/QUOTE]

I dont quite get it Az. You are upset thet you cant sweat anymore and “freeload” yourself or you want new players to sweat for you in exchange for leftovers that you can spare? :dunce:

last time i checked it is only possible to sweat like 1-2k bottles which is about 50-100 peds at 5 pecs per bottle. Is that the amount of “freeloading” that gets everione so edgy? LOL

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I hate to be an ass, but I think Che’ is just a complainer. When her first started out I’m sure he wanted 5pec a bottle for sweat etc. Now he is looking into the eyes as others were when he was sweating, and thats bull-crap that he didn’t complain when he sweated, I’ve played since 2003, I was complaining about sweat, everyone who was sweating was complaining. Now if you think its that bad to go buy sweat for 5pec a bottle, start sweating again, or wait, your probaly capped at sweating :eek: so you know what you can do, go make another account and start sweating again but wait, thats against the EULA (although many people don’t care) so you know, just deal with it like the rest of us are :mad:

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Ever heard of, supply & demand? that would be Me

the sweat prices are still to low, cos ppl wants to use Me
besides it is kinda luxury to use Tp chip but every wants to use it= demand is bigger then supply.

if you can afford it, run run run

buying sweat 6 pec / bottle!!!

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Some of my thoughts on this.

From what I can tell, since MA made it harder to sweat, the prices having been creeping upwards slowly.

The amount of sweat around seems to be less than before (I’m talking Sweathog days…when it was quite common to see people selling 5k sweat at a time…not any more).

The amount of people sweating seems to be less, and so as supply decreases, the price is pushed up because of demand.

I didn’t sweat too much as a noob, and so I still can… so I have been trying to do it. And it is so difficult !

You have people coming and killing your animals all the time. You get focus charges, but they never seem to work. You get a mob, and it aggro’s on some noob who runs it to the tower. IT REALLY is difficult to get any sweat!

I have been trying to help out, I bring in animals when they’re all dry. I stand around with my ek2600 and fap people when they’re getting hit…at 9 pec per heal, its costing me quite a bit I’m sure. I’m beginning to think its not worth trying to help them though, because people like Azreal…and other annoyances just keep killing the animals.

If that is not enough, something crazy happened this morning.

A person - Hot Cross Buns - starts going off at the noobs, telling them to sell at nothing less than 5 pec per bottle. She’s telling them to get as much as they can out of the “greedy ME users.” I told her I was a greedy ME user, and the prices were too high, so I was sweating myself. She just kept on about how us “ME users” are taking advantage of the new people. Making them work so hard for their sweat, and paying bugger all for it. After some investigation, it would seem this person is a non-depositor…and us “greedy ME users” are depositors. I tried explaining that PE costs MA money, and that it is the depositors who are paying MA to keep the thing alive. Essentially we’re paying for the non-depositors to play. I’m not very impressed with that attitude, and I kinda wish Camp Phoenix was PVP, so when these uncouth little punks start talking like this I can whip out the ml35 and plug em… .that goes for the sweat mob killers as well!!!

MA really needs to fix this, or else we’re going to have a war on our hands…
Sweaters vs Greedy ME users…
And trust me… the Greedy ME users have put way too much money into this game to let these freeloading whiners mess things up for us.

Word.

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As so many people have said, it’s the market thingie…

Want lower prices… either have bigger supply, or lower demand.

If everyone thought the price was too high, no one would buy sweat anymore and prices would drop. Apperantly the majority of people thinks this is a fair price, otherwise they wouldn’t pay it.

It’s not like MF is really needed to play…

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Jeroen my point was that there are external things pushing the prices up.

Like people killing all the sweat mobs…

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You’re right Mighty,

You think that they are doing that to up the prices ?

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[QUOTE=Kane]
While I agree with most of your post Che’, when sweating and mind essence initially came out, people were paying 2.5-3 pec a bottle. Over time, sweat prices fell to the 1 pec a bottle area.
[/QUOTE]

When sweating came out it was easy to sell your sweat @5 pec/bottle, perhaps even higher :wink:
And the price has always been fluctuating.

If you don’t like the price, don’t buy.

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I say that sweatprice can´t be at 1-2 pec/bottle. Thats to low. I´d say set it between 3-5 pec/bottle and it will be possible for the newbies to earn some peds to! :wise:

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not even bothering to read the whole thread… :dunce:

It’s simply supply and demand…if people start to think they’re too high, they’ll stop buying it and prices will go down, or none will get sold, then nobody wins.

As long as people will pay that much, prices will remain high.

Try as you will, but you’re not going to be able to stop it…less noobs, harder sweating, cheaper tp chips=more demand, less supply=high prices

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I must disagree Muppis.
I think noobs shall be able to sweat just to get a lil tase of what PE is about.
Earn a few ped, get a gun and get hooked, cap their sweatingability and deposit :slight_smile:

Thats what Id like.

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Ok, here’s my 2 pecs about how to increase sweat production without costing to much to a noob or to people who want to help them.

1st: Equip the noob with a working axe
2nd: run him all the way up to Aegis Mound tp
3rd: Go a bit North West till you hit the fugabarba and foul young field.
4th: sweat the fuga, the young you can get 2 shots out of them, the old, alpha and dominant you can get around 7 shots (sometimes more, sometimes less) out of them. The beauty in this is that the fuga only do 1 dmg when hitting a noob or anyone.
5th: the reason for the axe is if the noob gets to close to a foul (which can’t be sweated) he has anough health even without armor to kill the foul. Trust me i tested it and thats how I showed my bro to gather sweat. It doesn’t cost much for the guy to equip the noob with one full axe (max 7 ped) and the sweat is easy to gain.

So i agree with most of you when they say it’s an offer and demand market.
So this is my proposition for all you mentors or double avatar users who want to sweat effectively without to much trouble.

Greetz :slight_smile:

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[QUOTE=Einstein]
If you don’t like the price, don’t buy.
[/QUOTE]

agree.
i havent buy(for myself) sweat or ME since 5 or 6 month ( maybe more) and i wont until price go down.

its up to MA to solve problem this time , i have posted what i think about problem with sweat during 1 year , i think its enought.
i will wait MA fix they stupid error if they whant get my money with decay on chip and reffiner.

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