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Care to expand on why you think this is “elitist”?

The system entropedia uses now (partially based on my suggestions) is more “elitist” than a council:
If you are trusted member you can edit everything at will, with only very little control - only updates by “normal” people require confirmation by a trusted member.

What i’ve suggested here is a more democratic system, a system of mutual control,
where it is no longer possible that a single person can manipulate entries.
(if you want to put it differently, my suggestion simply requires more than one confirmation)

Pretty much everyone willing to donate some time is welcome to join the “council”.
(i said “entropedia gold members should qualify”, but that doesn’t mean all others dont: some sensible basic restrictions should be applied though, like a min. of 6 months in EU, so you actually know about the wiki basics, like the fruit method, and how to determine the max. damage a mob does, how mindforce works, what restrictions apply to amps… stuff like that)

And there is always Witte who can stop it when things are heading the wrong way…
I added my post above to the wish list on entropedia, looking forward to Wittes thoughts on this.

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I only put in what I have personally looted…I prolly tend to make things rarer than they are but I tend to do smaller ped hunt/crafts…

It’ll balance out with more entries i suspect.

Tippin’

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Off Topic:

Considering less than 15% of all BP’s have this entry completed this statement is nonsensical - exemplified for most pre VU10 BP’s. Check the data, the column is hidden by default in most charts.

On Topic:

The current system works well and allows everyone to contribute how they choose to.

The entropedia internal messaging system serves the purpose to contact one another to sight, edit and communicate its contents - no ‘council’ needed imo.

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So how do you edit and add stuff? I will do my bit to help with rocktropia. Also how do you decide whats common and rare loot?

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fuck mod pixie, still trying to loot a mod amplifier.

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Firstly sorry, when I started my post you hadn’t responded to Oleg, so I made an unnecessary post really. But anyway, my second paragraph insinuated nothing of the sort. I was saying new players could unknowingly make costly mistakes (in-game) because of the bad data on entropedia.

For the record, the thread subject applies to all players new and old alike. The first mention of ‘new’ players in the thread was in your post.

Of course, but I think I (and others) gave some good reasons as to why entering incorrect data should be avoided.

Thanks, exactly.

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Have 25 Disciples Graduate and then you have a 5% Chance at that Skip. :cool:

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Well, see the problem is not really what I see in the output of some tool, but what everybody else sees. I spend far too much time on the forums and know about the background (in this case anyways), but not everybody does, which is the real problem.

I’m soryy if I came over as too harsh, it was much more targeted at people overly optimsticly adding things in the future as oppposed to anything thats there already.

:laugh: I know the feeling, I also know the “oh my god, what did I just do, I’m such a total klutz!” feeling and having to go back and to fix it. Mistakes happen. As long as you keep track of the things you do and update, you will ultimately catch most of these on your own and also fix - or possibly ask others to fix if you can’t on your own.

More like 25 months (Ti castle had signs warning of wet concrete when i joined), I made a forum account much later than starting to read forum or use Entropedia. But narfi is right about there being a psychological barrier to updating Entropedia, if I was not a long time Wikipedia contributor, I doubt I would have started to do it.

I think the present self-policing works rather well.

Simple - first sign up, then log in. After that you can click on the “Add item” links next to various lists, to add items.

Loot frequency classes are listed here. You don’t need to add the class immediately when you loot something, you can start off with unknown or even leave it empty. This is probably the worst maintained part in the loot tables.

As long as the source of items that have only be sen on MA Avatars is listed as “MA Only”, I think all is ok.

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few members able to edit stats is a very good idea when those in charge of tasks neg rep you accusating of fake loot when you get a tango

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The Modern Samurai is correcting info on entropedia and spell-checks FB

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While we’re talking about Entropedia edits, can I just request that before an item is deleted, that its linked records be deleted too ?

for example .. (and this is just one of many of the same sort of thing recently)

Someone deletes oh, say a blueprint like the MF-101 blueprint…

Just ripping that blueprint out of its table, doesnt remove the linked blueprint drops, the linked blueprint materials etc etc etc. These just end up as broken links in tables, that then need to be individually cleaned up.

I’ve just cleaned up the Blueprint Drops table (again!), but see there’s also a few pages in the Blueprint Ingredients table with unlinked materials that will need to be individually removed.

The same goes for when mobs are deleted, and the linked loot table records are left as broken links; or avatars are deleted, and the Avatar Skills table left full of broken links.

I seem to be spending an inordinate amount of time lately removing this sort of ‘deadwood’ that is being left behind - and it’s starting to get a bit irritating.

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Yes, and think about us nubs who have to sort through the driftwood for answers. Really people, don’t you realize that there are a lot of serious players out there who don’t appreciate conjecture? your random imagination is NOT welcome.

Let there be a number of appointed people who know what they are on about, I can’t tell how many times my soc members and me have bitched about the lame ’ I think this is right, cos I heard it from a dream’ additions.

Truth counts :smoke:

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I am not really convinced that edits should be checked before they are applied. I haven’t really been active lately so don’t know what has been going on. Can anyone give insight on how many wrong edits have been made?

As for adding items that have not been spotted yet, I personally don’t really have a preference. It is possible to add a value to the “Discovered” drop down saying “Not yet” or something.

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I may be able to make it so that dependent items are also deleted. I will look into this when I have time.

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Self-policing? Are you sure that you refer to the current system?
It seems you have no idea how it works atm…

This has a simple reason:
The column was not there from the beginning, most new entries added since do have this properly filled, a blank column means it has been there before the column has been introduced.

Taking the latter into account, almost all BPs have this entry completed.

However, i have no idea why you think adding a BP (and ignoring it’s “Discovered” column) is ok.

It allowed you to make questionable edits… and what’s even better: The system allows that i remove every single BP added by you, aint that neat? :wink:

My suggestion aimed to improve the quality, the reliability of the values - i don’t understand how anyone who has ever made some entries can refuse an improvement like this (especially w/o suggesting alternatives).

If you don’t like a council, fine, we don’t have to stick to my suggestion… but is there really noone interested in improving the way it works?

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I have no idea why either as I did not say that. Possibly your telepathic ability enables you to read my thoughts. Interesting, you have a habit of putting words in others mouths.

That is neat, isnt it? - then do so.

Hardly ‘questionable’ edits considering they have no numerical data attached to them. More something that a vocal few do not agree with. As for removing every single BP i’ve added, you’d be removing more new BPs with materials and data which is perfectly correct - sounds like a step in the wrong direction.

While you are there go through the 10k edits that the system has enabled me to make as well. Or shall I remove all of them myself.

Easy to sit back and comment when you make no contribution except for your need to feel justified.

The reason you dont understand is that it is your point of view. Opinions are not fact. I was mearly stating a preference, you should be too.

I have found mistakes made by almost every contributor - with such a large dataset that will occur. Policing is in the ability to edit and not assigning bureaucrats. I believe the current system is adequate, therefore no alternative suggestion is required on my part.

Quote and reply til your heart is content.

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No need for telepathy - according to Oleg you already did that.

Interesting habit you have there, twisting words as you see fit… not gonna work with me though.

And you base your “observation” that i am unable to distinguish between opinion and fact… on what exactly?

Your post is pretty arrogant and self-righteous, no wonder you were inable to settle whatever you have going on there with oleg.

The “preference” to have all the time and effort one puts into updating entropedia not wasted should be a no-brainer.
Maybe a strange guy like you is fine when their updates are invalidated by some vandals - most others actually do care!
But then again, maybe you just don’T care because you are just a vandal yourself.

Don’t bother replying, there’s nothing to add - any word directed to you appears to be just wasted time.

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Bless you, Witte :slight_smile:

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Items without a valid key value are now no longer visible in charts. It is a bit of a quick fix, as the items are not removed, as can been seen by the number of items. (Showing 2011 of 2021 items for example)

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Has there been a rash of intentional false editing in/out items lately?

That’d kinda suk.

I know I’ve seen some that were prolly incorrect, but they seemed too minor to be on purpose, if indeed they were/are incorrect.

I KNOW people that have entered items into E-Pedia have to of intentionally left out some items - not wanting to let anyone know when/where/what dropped a “cool” item.

But other “non-entries” just always seemed odd to me…Most recently, a lousy RK-5 BP.
I’ve just now noticed that the only thing (entered) that drops a RK-5 BP is…A RK-5 BP.
Now I can confirm now that it actually does drop itself, but off and on for moths I checked and it just wasn’t there (what drops the BP).

I hoped this was just an overlooked thing to enter, tho I would’ve thought out of the amount of people that contribute there, SOMEONE would’ve put that info in…

Not really a “cool” item to keep to one’s self, thus i just thought, and still do in that case, an oversight.

I certainly hope nobody is intentionally fucking up entries to “hahaha” at the people they will never know who might use and lose on the false information.
That’s just simple minded juvinile behavior.

Although (here’s comes aj’s non-sugarcoated opinion) after slightly over a year here on EU i have noticed that more and more people/players are just flat out fucktards in one way or another and i can very well believe someone would intentionally screw with the E-Pedia stats just to be a, well, a Fucktard.

Has the fucktardedness really increased that much over this small time frame or am I finally learning the “games within the game”?
If that’s the case, i wish i was an ignorant OJ n00b again…
:confused:

ED: This was NOT directed at anyone in particular, especially in this thread. Just a, well…

Tippin’
P.S. The word “Fucktard” may not be used for one week as I have filled it’s quota for the time. Ty.