New Treasure Island Deed - ROI Tracker

[bigPaul]

@Nik-Elas

Not a bad idea but since NTI don’t have a global specific in the name like some LAs do the crafting part will be impossible (?) The hunting bit might work if specific to the NTI unique mobs like Dasp, Corno, globster etc. Anyway, thanks for initiative as a small holder of some deeds!

Thanks Nik-Elas, appreciated (y)

About your doubt regarding Crafting Events, we will require to run the Entropia-Life client (a well-known app that also creates screenshots) to ensure the [B][COLOR=rgb(65, 168, 95)]Crafting-Event (or any Hunting-Event on New Treasure Island, [COLOR=rgb(184, 49, 47)]especially regarding non-unique Mobs)[COLOR=rgb(65, 168, 95)] is done [U]honestly on New Treasure Island.

Other Land-Area owners are already doing that[/U] , by the Entropia-Life client .[/B]

[COLOR=rgb(65, 168, 95)]Paul

[Supajosh]

@Larry

MindArk were very clear with their listing (posted here).

They listed the area, the mobs on the area, the number of shares and the price of the shares. That’s it. No revenue figures, no development promises (which history shows would have been broken anyway), nothing.

If people thought this was a good investment based on the (very limited) information provided, that’s on them.

Although what you are saying is technically correct. The reality is that all previous land deeds have been sold on the future revenue potential based from expected developments in said area.

We bought AG shares as it was new and developing
Same with arkadia underground and its moon
compet deeds - given this all went to shit but for better or for worse they tried - they attempted development
Perhaps even more so with Calypso deeds themselves, no single person bought those with any realistic thought that no new developments would be made to the planet- it would be foolish to think that wasn’t the case.

The purchase of deeds has always and will always be implicit upon the development of said areas and the developers of said areas have a responsibility to their deed holders to do so. Else a non development status should be placed upon them at sale .

As my original post outlines , irrespective of what was or wasn’t promised there are only positive financial upsides for them long term by increasing weekly revenue and thus deed prices.

Its wild to me in a " real cash game " especially one that’s commercially publicly listed there isnt someone internally who operates as a business development manager actively looking at ways to increase internal commercial values - or perhaps there is and they are either awful at their job , or have their hands tied in MA tape

[Katie_Chalmers]

Mindark may not have a technical duty to improve NTI for its stakeholders, however if NTI fails to maintain its IPO then it will be tough for them to get future investment, track record matters.

[Larry]

@Katie Chalmers

Mindark may not have a technical duty to improve NTI for its stakeholders, however if NTI fails to maintain its IPO then it will be tough for them to get future investment, track record matters.

ComPet? Ark Moon Deeds? Ancient Greece shares? Even Crystal Palace shares are on the decline - how much of a track record is needed?

I do think that MindArk (and planet partners) should stop selling shares in things and focus more on development, but that’s a hard sell when they know they can cash in 10 years worth of forecasted profit with no development effort, cost or risk by creating a little hype and selling shares in something they already have.

Now they have the money from the shares, what’s the incentive to spend time/money on development?

[Katie_Chalmers]

@Larry

ComPet? Ark Moon Deeds? Ancient Greece shares? Even Crystal Palace shares are on the decline - how much of a track record is needed?

Ark moon and AG are different devs. CLD are very strong, and CP is still trading 50% above its IPO, I wouldn’t call it a failure.
Overall calypso based investment hasn’t been too bad, but opinions might change now. I likely won’t be buying into whatever the new thing is. There is only so much money that the current player base will be willing to tie up at a 5% ROI especially when RL interest rates the way they are. Anything new will just dilute the existing in-game capital even further.

[bigPaul]

[SIZE=5][COLOR=rgb(65, 168, 95)]July, 3
Weekly Revenue of New Treasure Island Deeds =[/SIZE][SIZE=5] [/SIZE][COLOR=rgb(65, 168, 95)][SIZE=5]1 pec/Deed[/SIZE]

[bigPaul]

[SIZE=5][COLOR=rgb(65, 168, 95)]July, 10
Weekly Revenue of New Treasure Island Deeds =[/SIZE] [SIZE=5]0 pec/Deed[/SIZE]

[bigPaul]

[SIZE=5][COLOR=rgb(65, 168, 95)]July, 17[/SIZE]
[SIZE=4]Weekly Revenue of New Treasure Island Deeds =[/SIZE] [COLOR=rgb(65, 168, 95)][SIZE=5]1 pec/Deed[/SIZE]

[bigPaul]

[SIZE=5][COLOR=rgb(65, 168, 95)]July, 24[/SIZE]
[SIZE=4]Weekly Revenue of New Treasure Island Deeds =[/SIZE] [COLOR=rgb(65, 168, 95)][SIZE=5]1 pec/Deed[/SIZE]

[GeorgeSkywalker]

@Larry

ComPet? Ark Moon Deeds? Ancient Greece shares? Even Crystal Palace shares are on the decline - how much of a track record is needed?

I do think that MindArk (and planet partners) should stop selling shares in things and focus more on development, but that’s a hard sell when they know they can cash in 10 years worth of forecasted profit with no development effort, cost or risk by creating a little hype and selling shares in something they already have.

Now they have the money from the shares, what’s the incentive to spend time/money on development?

@Katie Chalmers

Mindark may not have a technical duty to improve NTI for its stakeholders, however if NTI fails to maintain its IPO then it will be tough for them to get future investment, track record matters.

I agree with both viewpoints as I think both are correct. However, there are some nuances that need to be considered.

NTI is failing at the moment to maintain its initial IPO. Two main points need to be considered, who is responsible if players behave in an illogical or idiotic fashion with regard to current NTI prices which are at around 9? Is MindArk responsible for that? I think they have a part to play but not wholly responsible. The main problem is players themselves who continue to buy CP deeds although they are priced higher than NTI yet both seem to yield similar returns.

Also players who sell NTI deeds. I’ve been looking at their behaviour for a while. What I’ve noticed is even though price is low on them they continue to sell at those prices. Sometimes in the exchange an interesting situation develops when no one is selling. Someone will then list at a much higher price 18 to 25 and then quickly the undercutters or rush sellers will outdo each other and quickly bring the price back down to where it was below 10. If you look carefully when someone initially lists at around 18-25 there are some sales. So there are buyers at that price. However, essentially the rate of sales is lower compared to the rate of sellers wanting to sell and listing at a lower price.

What people need to realise is selling at a lower price doesn’t mean it will sell faster. This I think is essentially the issue here most NTI sellers seem to think if I sell lower it will sell faster which is not really the case. So essentially a lack of patience on their part.

Now with regard to MindArk I don’t think they will care so essentially Larry is right in what he says. So what will happen is the big buyers in the future will be reluctant to invest in MindArks/PP’s deed sales as the track record will be poor so Katie is right in that regard. The low level investors who buy one or two shares seem to buy at any price and I think will continue to exhibit that behaviour. However, the low level investors may be influenced by the big buyers if they stop buying then the low level buyers may also stop. This remains to be seen though.

So in conclusion if MindArk don’t do anything they will pay the consequences in the future because with time the big buyers will not continue to invest in their sales if they have a poor track record and know MindArk don’t seem to care or do anything to help after the sale of deeds. There is only so many times people will be “fooled”.

[Larry]

@GeorgeSkywalker

I agree with both viewpoints as I think both are correct. However, there are some nuances that need to be considered.

Agreed.

I think however the observation of people buying shares at the higher prices is probably an attempt at market manipulation, as the volume is extremely low and the volume doesn’t increase when the share value drops (which you would expect if there was legitimate demand).

I also think another big part of the problem is the horrific design of the Share Exchange system. Where is the ability to place and see buy orders? Why is a fee charged just to ‘list’ shares for sale for a set time rather than just commission on sale like every other exchange does? Why is there an expiry on listings at all?

Exchanges are supposed to facilitate trade, but MindArk seem to have found a way to make one that actually hinders it. Anyone who looks can see it in the trading volume data - they have killed the market.

[GeorgeSkywalker]

@Larry

I think however the observation of people buying shares at the higher prices is probably an attempt at market manipulation

Good points. However, I doubt very much its anything related to market manipulation. Guess we have to agree to disagree on that point

Low level sales seem to happen at any price. Time and time again its proven to be the case when price is high there are sales although in small volumes. Since this happens every time without fail its more likely that small scale buyers are not affected by price so much. If someone is buying say one share they are not going to loose so much whatever happens to the price of the deed in the future, they have so little at stake. It’s this lack of stake that I think drives this behaviour rather than any manipulation. Sometimes things are nothing to do with manipulation and I think we point the finger at manipulation all too easily.

[bigPaul]

[SIZE=5][COLOR=rgb(65, 168, 95)]July, 31[/SIZE]
[SIZE=4]Weekly Revenue of New Treasure Island Deeds =[/SIZE][B] [SIZE=5]0pec/Deed[/SIZE]

[COLOR=rgb(124, 112, 107)][July[/B][COLOR=rgb(124, 112, 107)], summary : July,3 (1 pec/deed); July,10 (0[COLOR=rgb(124, 112, 107)] pec/Deed); July,17 (1 pec/Deed); July,24 (1 pec/Deed), [COLOR=rgb(124, 112, 107)]July,31 (0[COLOR=rgb(124, 112, 107)][COLOR=rgb(124, 112, 107)] pec/Deed)]
[COLOR=rgb(124, 112, 107)][June[COLOR=rgb(124, 112, 107)], summary : June,5 (0[COLOR=rgb(124, 112, 107)] pec/deed); June,12 (1 pec/Deed); June,19 (1 pec/Deed); June,26 (0[COLOR=rgb(124, 112, 107)] pec/Deed) ]
[May, summary : May,1 (1 pec/deed); May,8 (1 pec/Deed); May,15 ([COLOR=rgb(209, 213, 216)]0 [COLOR=rgb(124, 112, 107)]pec/Deed); May,22 (1 pec/Deed); May,29 (1 pec/Deed) ]
[COLOR=rgb(124, 112, 107)][April, summary : April,3 (1 pec/Deed); April,10 (1 pec/Deed); April,17 (0[COLOR=rgb(124, 112, 107)] pec/Deed); April,24 (1 pec/Deed) ]

[bigPaul]

[SIZE=5][COLOR=rgb(65, 168, 95)]August, 07[/SIZE]
[SIZE=4]Weekly Revenue of New Treasure Island Deeds =[/SIZE] [COLOR=rgb(65, 168, 95)][SIZE=5]1 pec/Deed[/SIZE]

[bigPaul]

[SIZE=5][COLOR=rgb(65, 168, 95)]August, 14[/SIZE]
[SIZE=4]Weekly Revenue of New Treasure Island Deeds =[/SIZE] [SIZE=5]0 pec/Deed[/SIZE]

[bigPaul]

[SIZE=5][COLOR=rgb(65, 168, 95)]August, 21[/SIZE]
[SIZE=4]Weekly Revenue of New Treasure Island Deeds =[/SIZE] [COLOR=rgb(65, 168, 95)][SIZE=5]1 pec/Deed[/SIZE]

[bigPaul]

[SIZE=5][COLOR=rgb(65, 168, 95)]August, 28[/SIZE]
[SIZE=4]Weekly Revenue of New Treasure Island Deeds =[/SIZE] [SIZE=5]0 pec/Deed[/SIZE]

[COLOR=rgb(124, 112, 107)][COLOR=rgb(124, 112, 107)][August[COLOR=rgb(124, 112, 107)], summary : [COLOR=rgb(124, 112, 107)][COLOR=rgb(124, 112, 107)]August,7 (1 pec/deed); [COLOR=rgb(124, 112, 107)][COLOR=rgb(124, 112, 107)]August,14 (0[COLOR=rgb(124, 112, 107)][COLOR=rgb(124, 112, 107)] pec/Deed); [COLOR=rgb(124, 112, 107)][COLOR=rgb(124, 112, 107)]August,21 (1 pec/Deed); [COLOR=rgb(124, 112, 107)][COLOR=rgb(124, 112, 107)]August,28 (0[COLOR=rgb(124, 112, 107)][COLOR=rgb(124, 112, 107)][COLOR=rgb(124, 112, 107)] pec/Deed)]
[COLOR=rgb(124, 112, 107)][COLOR=rgb(124, 112, 107)][July[COLOR=rgb(124, 112, 107)], summary : July,3 (1 pec/deed); July,10 (0[COLOR=rgb(124, 112, 107)][COLOR=rgb(124, 112, 107)][COLOR=rgb(124, 112, 107)] pec/Deed); July,17 (1 pec/Deed); July,24 (1 pec/Deed); [COLOR=rgb(124, 112, 107)]July,31 (0[COLOR=rgb(124, 112, 107)][COLOR=rgb(124, 112, 107)][COLOR=rgb(124, 112, 107)][COLOR=rgb(124, 112, 107)] pec/Deed)]
[COLOR=rgb(124, 112, 107)][June[COLOR=rgb(124, 112, 107)], summary : June,5 (0[COLOR=rgb(124, 112, 107)] pec/deed); June,12 (1 pec/Deed); June,19 (1 pec/Deed); June,26 (0[COLOR=rgb(124, 112, 107)] pec/Deed) ]
[May, summary : May,1 (1 pec/deed); May,8 (1 pec/Deed); May,15 ([COLOR=rgb(209, 213, 216)]0 [COLOR=rgb(124, 112, 107)]pec/Deed); May,22 (1 pec/Deed); May,29 (1 pec/Deed) ]
[COLOR=rgb(124, 112, 107)][April, summary : April,3 (1 pec/Deed); April,10 (1 pec/Deed); April,17 (0[COLOR=rgb(124, 112, 107)] pec/Deed); April,24 (1 pec/Deed) ]

[Supajosh]

So we need something nice with the second half of TWEN to bring people back to NTI- revs can only get better the 2nd half of the year as migration comes to and end

[ProActive_Mango]

@Supajosh

So we need something nice with the second half of TWEN to bring people back to NTI- revs can only get better the 2nd half of the year as migration comes to and end

NTI already has a huge attractivness in uniqe mobs and alot of robot for no tax.
Its just the game has alot fewer players right now with the harsh economic situation that is happening in the real world.

[messi91]

At this rate of bad weekly returns i hope people will think 10 times before they fomo into buying any mindark deeds.total flop.