lootboxes in stances

Entropia Universe Economy General Economy Discussion
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ever since i did instances with lootboxes in them i’ve had allways a TT loss.
i mean these “instances with a chest at the end and mobs dont drop”

couple of weeks ago socrates mentioned there’s no more guarantied loss in instances with lootboxes it used to be not anymore for.
if this has changed last month then ok. But i doubt this is the case.

so i’m curious to see what peoples experiences are with those lootboxes in these instances.

here’s my runs from the lotus gold instances.
[TABLE]
[TR]
[TD]Date[/TD]
[TD]Return[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][RIGHT]17-10-2023[/RIGHT][/TD]
[TD][RIGHT]86,13%[/RIGHT][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][RIGHT]19-11-2023[/RIGHT][/TD]
[TD][RIGHT]83,82%[/RIGHT][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][RIGHT]19-11-2023[/RIGHT][/TD]
[TD][RIGHT]80,68%[/RIGHT][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][RIGHT]24-11-2023[/RIGHT][/TD]
[TD][RIGHT]83,62%[/RIGHT][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][RIGHT]25-11-2023[/RIGHT][/TD]
[TD][RIGHT]93,79%[/RIGHT][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][RIGHT]25-11-2023[/RIGHT][/TD]
[TD][RIGHT]86,09%[/RIGHT][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][RIGHT]26-11-2023[/RIGHT][/TD]
[TD][RIGHT]84,77%[/RIGHT][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][RIGHT]26-11-2023[/RIGHT][/TD]
[TD][RIGHT]79,11%[/RIGHT][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][RIGHT]2-12-2023[/RIGHT][/TD]
[TD][RIGHT]85,54%[/RIGHT][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][RIGHT]30-12-2023[/RIGHT][/TD]
[TD][RIGHT]87,33%[/RIGHT][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][RIGHT]31-12-2023[/RIGHT][/TD]
[TD][RIGHT]83,71%[/RIGHT][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][RIGHT]31-12-2023[/RIGHT][/TD]
[TD][RIGHT]81,81%[/RIGHT][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][RIGHT]13-1-2024[/RIGHT][/TD]
[TD][RIGHT]84,46%[/RIGHT][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][RIGHT]14-1-2024[/RIGHT][/TD]
[TD][RIGHT]79,74%[/RIGHT][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][RIGHT]3-2-2024[/RIGHT][/TD]
[TD][RIGHT]88,04%[/RIGHT][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][RIGHT]9-2-2024[/RIGHT][/TD]
[TD][RIGHT]84,58%[/RIGHT][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][RIGHT]10-2-2024[/RIGHT][/TD]
[TD][RIGHT]87,52%[/RIGHT][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][RIGHT]10-2-2024[/RIGHT][/TD]
[TD][RIGHT]86,88%[/RIGHT][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][RIGHT]10-2-2024[/RIGHT][/TD]
[TD][RIGHT]85,63%[/RIGHT][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][RIGHT]28-7-2024[/RIGHT][/TD]
[TD][RIGHT]86,26%[/RIGHT][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][RIGHT]2-8-2024[/RIGHT][/TD]
[TD][RIGHT]80,74%[/RIGHT][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][RIGHT]3-8-2024[/RIGHT][/TD]
[TD][RIGHT]79,10%[/RIGHT][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][RIGHT]11-8-2024[/RIGHT][/TD]
[TD][RIGHT]85,34%[/RIGHT][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][RIGHT]17-8-2024[/RIGHT][/TD]
[TD][RIGHT]92,52%[/RIGHT][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][RIGHT]24-8-2024[/RIGHT][/TD]
[TD][RIGHT]85,71%[/RIGHT][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][RIGHT]7-9-2024[/RIGHT][/TD]
[TD][RIGHT]87,93%[/RIGHT][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][RIGHT]8-9-2024[/RIGHT][/TD]
[TD][RIGHT]82,20%[/RIGHT][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][RIGHT]13-9-2024[/RIGHT][/TD]
[TD][RIGHT]87,87%[/RIGHT][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][RIGHT]14-9-2024[/RIGHT][/TD]
[TD][RIGHT]85,51%[/RIGHT][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][RIGHT]17-9-2024[/RIGHT][/TD]
[TD][RIGHT]89,43%[/RIGHT][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][RIGHT]21-9-2024[/RIGHT][/TD]
[TD][RIGHT]85,67%[/RIGHT][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][RIGHT]21-9-2024[/RIGHT][/TD]
[TD][RIGHT]85,48%[/RIGHT][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][RIGHT]23-9-2024[/RIGHT][/TD]
[TD][RIGHT]89,35%[/RIGHT][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][RIGHT]1-11-2024[/RIGHT][/TD]
[TD][RIGHT]92,72%[/RIGHT][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][RIGHT]1-11-2024[/RIGHT][/TD]
[TD][RIGHT]90,30%[/RIGHT][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][RIGHT]3-11-2024[/RIGHT][/TD]
[TD][RIGHT]84,77%[/RIGHT][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][RIGHT]22-11-2024[/RIGHT][/TD]
[TD][RIGHT]89,02%[/RIGHT][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][RIGHT]22-11-2024[/RIGHT][/TD]
[TD][RIGHT]81,08%[/RIGHT][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][RIGHT]24-11-2024[/RIGHT][/TD]
[TD][RIGHT]90,57%[/RIGHT][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][RIGHT]24-11-2024[/RIGHT][/TD]
[TD][RIGHT]88,82%[/RIGHT][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][RIGHT]26-1-2025[/RIGHT][/TD]
[TD][RIGHT]91,82%[/RIGHT][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][RIGHT]26-1-2025[/RIGHT][/TD]
[TD][RIGHT]82,32%[/RIGHT][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][RIGHT]9-2-2025[/RIGHT][/TD]
[TD][RIGHT]81,33%[/RIGHT][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][RIGHT]20-2-2025[/RIGHT][/TD]
[TD][RIGHT]86,33%[/RIGHT][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][RIGHT]22-2-2025[/RIGHT][/TD]
[TD][RIGHT]87,08%[/RIGHT][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][RIGHT]21-3-2025[/RIGHT][/TD]
[TD][RIGHT]82,57%[/RIGHT][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][RIGHT]22-3-2025[/RIGHT][/TD]
[TD][RIGHT]90,45%[/RIGHT][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][RIGHT]23-3-2025[/RIGHT][/TD]
[TD][RIGHT]89,98%[/RIGHT][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][RIGHT]28-3-2025[/RIGHT][/TD]
[TD][RIGHT]83,69%[/RIGHT][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][RIGHT]12-4-2025[/RIGHT][/TD]
[TD][RIGHT]81,01%[/RIGHT][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][RIGHT]18-4-2025[/RIGHT][/TD]
[TD][RIGHT]85,49%[/RIGHT][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][RIGHT]26-4-2025[/RIGHT][/TD]
[TD][RIGHT]86,64%[/RIGHT][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][RIGHT]30-4-2025[/RIGHT][/TD]
[TD][RIGHT]82,79%[/RIGHT][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][RIGHT]2-5-2025[/RIGHT][/TD]
[TD][RIGHT]85,74%[/RIGHT][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][RIGHT]2-5-2025[/RIGHT][/TD]
[TD][RIGHT]79,07%[/RIGHT][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][RIGHT]10-5-2025[/RIGHT][/TD]
[TD][RIGHT]89,88%[/RIGHT][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][RIGHT]1-6-2025[/RIGHT][/TD]
[TD][RIGHT]91,38%[/RIGHT][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][RIGHT]14-6-2025[/RIGHT][/TD]
[TD][RIGHT]83,86%[/RIGHT][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][RIGHT]9-7-2025[/RIGHT][/TD]
[TD][RIGHT]84,57%[/RIGHT][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][RIGHT]25-7-2025[/RIGHT][/TD]
[TD][RIGHT]90,82%[/RIGHT][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][RIGHT]26-7-2025[/RIGHT][/TD]
[TD][RIGHT]90,55%[/RIGHT][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][RIGHT]27-7-2025[/RIGHT][/TD]
[TD][RIGHT]85,95%[/RIGHT][/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

these returns are without enhancers or cost of the key’s.

i might be really unlucky with returns but somehow i doubt that, or do i miss something that 60+ runs is not enough cycle ?
( i know a couple guys who also did at least 30-40+ runs and never had a tt plus in lotus ).

there must be more people that track their runs lets see how you do :slight_smile:

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Instances with loot at end is bugged since loot 2.0 .
I last tested early 2024 never did again and I don’t remember any patch note/ release note saying it got fixed . So basically you are stuck in 74% -90% return per instance unless anyone else has data to show otherwise.

But occasionally you will get a message on screen boosted loot when entering instance that means whatever you spend inside the instance gets returned + bonus i have seen 105% -115% return when that message pops up.

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i’ve seen this message also a couple of times , however in lotus gold never had a positive return even with that message.

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4

These instances are capped TT return.

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This data corroborates my own: https://www.virtualsense.eu/forum/threads/storehouse-loots-hard-capped.10937/#post-73510 There are instances with lootboxes at the end with loot capped at around 80%

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Even with “Rewards are increased” message i never ever had obove 90% on Toulan at least. Legends has its loot capped and Cuhof Card Instances too.

7

Is there enough markup in there to cover or people just gambling?

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yes i’ve done those also a couple of times but havent had there anything positive eather.

9

would be nice if more people have some DATA to share. since this is a serious issue imo certainly when MA thinks this issue is a myth.

10

hally’s post

this seems worrying that only cally beacon can have tt+ ( if this is the case )

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Ask @Hijacker27 .

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I have tracked cuhof 01 when it still had chests and reached the same conclusion. https://www.virtualsense.eu/forum/threads/cuhof-1-runs.7018/
It is likely a reason why cuhof1-5 was changed to looteble mobs. Activety has gone way up in those instances sinds that change.

I have personally not tracked the storehouse return but my pedcard seems to point you being right.

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bumpy

must be some more people that have logs / oppinions :slight_smile:

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Same for me never TT+ in 50 times doing cuhof legends and 2nd half always 75-85% returns… its too bad because otherwise I enjoy doing those type instances

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Confirm same experience two years ago on around 40 tracked runs, haven’t touched them since.

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Instance loot its broken since loot 2.0, TT capped and the “boosted” instance message not affecting the loot as it was… before loot 2.0 TT was like now but time to time you got the boosted instance that gave you a decent TT return with the probability of some items… now its gone, its better to dont try the instance with boxes.

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It’s crazy tho when virtualsense’s toulan and dsec income/economy is almost entirely based on lootbox instances, like how have they not put up a huge stink over this they are losing a fortune. I know I’d be BS if I was them and bitch to MA everyday until they fixed it. People avoid those and taxed areas like a plague now.

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18

I see nothing wrong here. It’s working fine. Looks like my returns anywhere I hunt. Looks normal to me. Or do you mean your returns are higher normally? ???

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I don’t know how it is now, but the tt of the key has always participated in the the chest, so your returns are even lower.

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i know , thats why i mention it.

bump for more people to add info :slight_smile: