Loot Warning

Entropia Universe Professions Hunting
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Pondering creating this thread for a while, and finally feel its justified.. This is not a rant thread and folks who want to add to it please just keep it to the following format.

Reason for thread:
As MA business model has changed in the last few months to focus on large urber loots, this is causing an adjustment on average loot return for hunters.. Some players don’t mind getting shitty loots if there is a chance(no matter how slim) of getting a urber.. I’m not one of those players, and would like to enact a warning system when the loot drop rate changes to build up a ATH urber loot..

What to do with this info:

  1. go out and hunt high end mobs - hoping to catch that urber
  2. stop hunting because you want a decent average return, Then wait till the urber drops and begin normal hunting schedule again.
  3. avoid MOB type with crap return %.

Please report in following manor
PE Date&time : MOB type : % return (est)

11-29-2005 6AM : Atrox : 15% return. seem like an ATH urber is building

Now i am well aware of the flaws/issue here, ie different servers will have different returns so just move mate.. well my response to that is when an urber is building in really doesn’t matter where you go, but it seems some mobs will pay better then others during these building periods.

So if MA what to play Lotto with PE, players like myself don’t have much choice but to do a tracking service like this or Quit hunting..

What say you? (Constructive comments please)

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I really think that you are correct in these aspects. There are not many possible options for one who doesn’t want to risk their ped so much. My suggestion is to hunt mobs that are good for your skill level, and have several places of the mob. If the loot sucks, move on, if it sucks again, move on again. What you really have to exercise in PE is restraint and self control (knowing when to call a hunt over when loots are crappy). My advice: be careful and brutishly aware of the return, skill gains, etc, if you want to try to continue hunting.

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Reason for thread:
As MA business model has changed in the last few months to focus on large urber loots, this is causing an adjustment on average loot return for hunters.. Some players don’t mind getting shitty loots if there is a chance(no matter how slim) of getting a urber.. I’m not one of those players, and would like to enact a warning system when the loot drop rate changes to build up a ATH urber loot..

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I think your idea is good, for some reason..But didn´t MA state that the ordinary “lootsystem” had nothing to do with ATH´s?..
I think its like - when ppl get bad loots they think that an ATH is comming?

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I think MA stated that average loots were not affected by uber loots.

That being said, what in MA’s past leads you to believe that they would do something like this?

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I agree with you, average loots on mobs dropping for a few days than bang a ATH. Same thing happened when Pham got two big ones. Loots were terrible for a few days. So I too recommend less hunting when you discover average loots are dropping.

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Taxita & thoreau : With all due respect to MA and marco, i dont buy it. The simple reason is that, too many folks get shit loots before an urber drops.. I’ve heard back from a number of hunters today, stating shit average loots today(removing the players that got HOF’s). And by shit i mean 10 to 40% return.

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[QUOTE=Da Celt]
Taxita & thoreau : With all due respect to MA and marco, i dont buy it. The simple reason is that, too many folks get shit loots before an urber drops.. I’ve heard back from a number of hunters today, stating shit average loots today(removing the players that got HOF’s). And by shit i mean 10 to 40% return.
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Alright…I have heard about the same things, actually…But as MA is the authoríty/creators of this game, they should be trusted…Thats why i posted the first post here…
If they are not true - thats ashame
But if it is true - we both should be ashame for doubting :slight_smile:

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[QUOTE=Da Celt]
Taxita & thoreau : With all due respect to MA and marco, i dont buy it. The simple reason is that, too many folks get shit loots before an urber drops.. I’ve heard back from a number of hunters today, stating shit average loots today(removing the players that got HOF’s). And by shit i mean 10 to 40% return.
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ho finally i am not the only one to say that things.
and yes loot are at lets say 30% since som VU ( the VU before the big ATH rain).
but in hunting, you can “solve” this problem by hunting litlle mobs , with little weapon , and try go on long run to get finally a hof and so lost only 30%.

but in tailloring , that kind of moddel kill me.i have to taillor until i get a big hof to dont lost mutch… but thats total impossible.how i can taillor 10 000 leaf beret ?
i dont taillor to get ATH , i taillor to make item and sell it for affordable price.
right now , i can not choose what i taillor because of big lack in ore and material i need.
yes i know a part or material are TT food , but thats because i can not buy the other part :frowning:
so i taillor the rare things i can find the whole material.
this moning , i think to make som leaf beret , there not a lot in auction , and i can gather all material.
after 40 click , and 1k ped loss (3min and 20 sec) i was the total unhappy owner of 3 hat.this mean if i sell it for cost its 350 ped per hat…pretty insane.
and yes , probably if i was continuing to make hat , i would get a hof.but how many try ? 500 ?

this “new” 0/1 sytem (no-loot/ATH) is maybe good for som people in hunting , but in crafting , if you produce something ( i am not TTfeeder) … thats realy a big pain in ass.

about hunting issue , i have to say i total dont mind.why ?
easy , because i say the los in hunting is getting to bad since long time , and i stoped to hunt since VU 7.4.
i just go hunt sometime now with opalo or EB5ME for som fun , and i even dont look what i get back , i would feel to mutch ashamed.

main problem is MA listen to mutch som screaming player , and not enought the wise.
player whant MA to put lots ATH , and i even read post saying " i dont mind to get no-loot , i whant see big ATH".
so now , looks other get ATH , sell your item and go play something else.
or send suport about how the return is low …
it s up to MA to understand a basic casino rules.
player ask all time for bigger jackpot…that plain logic , who dont whant to gain more than the one that get the biggest last time.
but casino is not here to do what som brainless foul scream , they are here to make money with their business.
all IRL casino , give back around 90% of money.
yes , you read corect , casino give back 90% of money .
why so hight ?
easy , because if people lost to mutch to fast , they dont feel enought good , they feel bad , rant , and go elsewhere to get the fun.keep in mind there is no fun in losing all time.
so casino , make all people get all time som candies , and people stay , until they got 0.
but people when they leave casino with 0 money , they are kinda happy , because lots of emotion (wining and lost).
in PE right now … i see only lost emotion , and som big winer.

Etopia , who is going to wait next VU before tailor something else

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I totaly subscribe. Last time I got some decent loots (quite long in the past) and by loots I don’t want to underline hunting, but a variety of activities, I was “on-the-wave” ;)…I didn’t profit much or at all, but at the end of a day I was smiling…at some point I decided to get an item to remember that period (and now I should live off memories :rolleyes: ). That item was a Feodora Hat which I bought from ETOPIA. The next few days I decided I would like to get a pair of sun-glasses too, but in the same way…not depositing and buying…fact is that staring then I began to constantly feel unhappy and more to it, I had to reduce my gameplay to keep PE fun.

I am not so skilled as an avatar as I seriously played starting this spring, but I craeated the avatar some 2 years ago and played a bit then…I remember things not changing so rapidly and many more, but I won’t turn nostalgic here…And I am not saying changes are bad, but if one changes something, it should be for the better, ain’t it?

Anyway, ETOPIA, hope stuff will get back to normal again, maybe then you could make me a pair of sun-glasses while smiling and I will smile when having then on…

Hope I didn’t bore you with my “melancoly glass”,

Sharyn of the Templars.

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I agree and will try to also post when return on hunting is below let’s say 50%.
If MA wants to attract player who want to win 10K$ then they should make a third continent or some Landareas with special Loot distribution / taxes- only ATH of over 20K PED will be in mobs there and others are all empty or have an additional Taxes (like LA’s) to build the ATH. So they could make the rest normal again with maybe one 10 to 20K PED ATH all 3 month.

So they still have the Gamblers but we who dont play for ATH’s would have fun again.

Regards Marcel

PS: like Landarea with Taxes when you enter the ATH region a Pop-up will warn you that a 25% ATH Taxes is applied on this Landarea

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Seems to me that there’s an ATH for every day or sometimes more, atm. :frowning:

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Etopia > I feel your pain man, I also noticed a difference on crafting returns when compared to pr- V7x days. Admittedly, I don’t craft 10% of what you do, and am still skilling up on BP comp. But the % return bar on skill crafting dampers lvl3 is about 75% TT return nowadays, so if you don’t get a global or HOF on a run you will loss 25%+ ore cost above TT. Having said this, I think there is more options/strategies in crafting then hunting to make up for this loss, ie build up BP comp to get COS high, only then craft high end BPs and only when ores are at right price.. And here lays the problem, ores are not available at the price or quantity I want, so I go mine.. well its mine/hunting now.. many of the spawns have increased in size in the last VU so I spend more hunting then mining. The hunting part makes mining in most of my spots not worthwhile.. And on contain times like today and yesterday, the returns from the hunting portion of my mining trips are 15% return on costs…

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Let me expand, if I may, on one of Etopia’s points since I’m in the casino biz :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:

Online casino has an overall margin of approx 3%! That is, 97% of all money played returns back to the players in the long run. Something learned in general is its always nice to have a big progressive jackpot to lure players onto a game, however without a paytable which allows for many albiet smaller payouts players loose their bankroll too quick and end up playing another game. It’s the entertainment factor that most people are looking for..even if they have an expectation of loosing, as long as they enjoyed themselves they can justify the expense.

I tend to agree with whats being said about loots pre an uber drop, cause i’ve been out there for 10 hours on those days without anything to show for in the way of loot. I now know, that if it doesnt feel right I should stop and take a break.

Sem

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Good points!

Im on a hunting break until they get ingame advertisements. If loots dont return to normal I will decide to blow my meager possessions ingame (which will take about 2 days) and give the rest to someone ingame who has less sense than me (you know who you are ma friend :laugh: ).

I think MA will be making a huge mistake (long term speaking) if they do not return the lower end loots to pre-VU7.6 or so loots.

Something has definitely changed – whether or not ATHs have anything to do with it is just a guess… though an educated one. :wise:

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meh. It’s always too late.

When hunting, you always hope that the NEXT mob will have loot, and by the time the corpse has faded, you’re on to the next red dot.

By the time you realize you’re in a lootless area, your ped is already gone.

mutters

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Regarding ATH-Avgloot relations

Heres my story
The time when Pham got his dual ATH and in a day 4ATH high dropped. Before that period loot was really bad, I tried switching from ambus, to longus, anything… I was even telling my soc mates that a huge one is coming.. and then 4ath in a day.

I’m not against ATH, but it should not affect normal loot so drastically. Like Etopia and Semdog’s post, I think most players are here for the ‘entertainment’ factor. Yes its real money, but losing so much money or ‘working (hunting,mining,crafting) with nothing to show for’ is quite repetitive and boring.

I hope that with the upcoming Ads, hopefully things will be better

A map with areas mark by % return etc
or a ticker tape.. Don’t know how it’ll work but it should come in handy

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I agree with this 100%! Loots for myself and many of my socmates over the last few days have been simply horrid. I’ve even been doing some team hunting with several different newbies and in nearly every case I’ve experienced nasty losses. It seems as though a global is a necessity these days just to break even. :rolleyes:

What happened to the days of being bummed out because I only got 75 - 85% return on investment (including decay). Hell, I’m using a combination of 3 weapons each amped, one of which is a Maddox 4, and I can’t seem to break even on ammo most days. :hammer:

I would really like to see Marco or some MA representative take a few minutes and comment to the community about this topic. As the group of people that keep this company in business, we deserve a bit more communication and respect.

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My last period of bad loots was from Jan 2005 to Sep 2005. Then oddly,
a period of good loots from Oct 2005. Still going on. I guess I changed
my hunting style somehow, now a lot of ammo and high gear, and only
very short trips. I stop hunting very early if loots are bad. If I see peds,
I go on for some 1h, and then stop. What to do if not hunting? Log off
and do some woodwork, or pull chins or something, build an airplane?
Make your wife happy?

Dunno if this helps but changing the hunting style had an effect in my case. The change was just because I don’t have more time to play nowadays. :silly2:

Maybe PE has been tuned to favor more the short runs now?

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Well after some really bad weeks I had a good weekend, I mean by good , I didnt loose all my peds. I broke even :slight_smile: 1st time in what seems like months.

My problem is that I’m not a gambler, I never liked bad odds, well this means I have this burning desire not to hunt due to the probablity of me getting even average loots - seems more chance in getting 40% returns than anything else.

10$ not gambled is 10$ won in my mind, so 1000ped not gambled is 600peds not lost so not hunting I got a 600ped hof twisted logic I know lol

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Well after the mini patch last night and the bot battles today, i went on another long hunt/mine session for a few hours. And Loots are back to normal(80% to break even) again (for me). I guess all that extra ammo waste and lost loots from the robot battles has worked its way back into the loot pool.

So, coping standard Air Quality control warning systems..

Todays(11-30-2005) Loot Quality Warning is Green for Average to Good loots, unless reported otherwise.