ML-45 unlimited, 46.6 efficiency (Mayhem B-amped Beta), L29 animal looter, L59 BLP sniper hit, L55 dmg, …
Hunting Total Loot: 151 604 PED (Entropia Life)
Mining Total Loot: 179 213 PED (Entropia Life)
(recent focus: mostly hunting, paid in last year: ~50k peds! Won ring, spent the 16k ring as well, remaining out of 50k+16k: a 3.5k gun and several hundred peds of skills!!)
(at the beginning and before new loot system, it was much different, it now looks to me as if the system takes us in at the beginning to trust it later for long time assuming it will be fair!?)
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Lol, no wonder u lose so fast 
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we hear you , we hear you.
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should it not be over 90 percent return?
before the new loot system I was using a 28% efficiency one and I could loot 8k and 6k , without as much paying in !
(approximately, in the last 12 months I have paid in as much as the 36+ months before that!)
THE famous one is here , greetings !
Any suggestions how the mining return and the hunting loot system can be improved in form of a Loot 3.0, or let’s say Return System 3.0?
each “miss” shot is lost PED since it’s not considered as input and will not be returned in loot calculation. so how much is it? 0.5p? 1p? every single missed shot… add some MU input on your side (perseus, enhancers, etc.) and I am already wondering how did you manage to lose so little…
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Improvement idea: Can everybody get an indicator of return by MA, daily, weekly, monthly, annually and whole time, calculated automatically by the system? A dashboard? You spend 10K USD in a game and a dashboard is part of a normal good service I assume.
Maybe at least for those who have paid in over 1k UDS all in all?
If the system increases features for regular players who pay in, it makes the game more attractive.
Your estimated calculation seems wrong, what you suggested reduces a 98% return to something like 90% the lowest (all other factors combined as well), while even 70% return does not look to justify my numbers. And by the way, as L-45 is a ~145 meters range gun, armor decay is very low.
Reducing ~66k to something like 6k (gun + new skills) in few cycles is odd.
And 3k+ mob hunts has happened by finishing mamooth Leviathan and Proteron missions.
my calculation? 100% is max. you lose -5% from looter, -3,7% from efficiency. -3% missed shots (not sure about this number since I never use unmaxed stuff), -3% from used MU (most likely). So you should stand around 85% return with that kind of setup. so expect to lose -15p on every 100p you cycle - easy math 
I might be wrong with some % here and there, but you get an idea
oh, and your cycle calculation is wrong also. no way you have cycled only 250k at the same time when your hunting tracker shows 151k and mining 179 k it should mean profit
250k? Is that the old number from old posts in this thread? The calculations above are by entropia tracker and a new one based on new hunting and mining. And as said, even 70 percent return does not justify reducing 66k to 6k in few cycles!!
By the way, those numbers are for whole time (151k and 179k), paid in amount totally ~100k peds.
For the first ~50k chunk paid in during 36+ months, I was even less efficient but won 14k peds mining HOF and 4k, 6k and 8k hunting HOF. And it was usually not a late win after many months of cycling. The return was not bad at the beginning. It became worse and worse as the time passed! After the new loot system it became really odd! (see the last year numbers as an example)
Anybody in for this improvement idea? Like it?
We used to have a president, where is he? Can he chase popular game improvement ideas with MA?
I’m all for readily accessible information. You should however know that most of us (at least I think so?) keep track of this information ourselves in one way or another. Unless you track where your money goes, it’s very hard to assess it correctly. You should do the same.
[IMG width=“386px”]http://alis.pm/tracker summary.png
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I agree, and as these calculations are not a joyful part of the game, an automatic dashboard would help and make the game more enjoyable.
Ah you see, that’s where people are different. These calculations and their surrounding elements are the only reason I’m still playing the game. To me, the numbers make the game. But I do see your point.
In my opinion we don’t need a new loot 3.0 for hunting. We just need to know the current one well, learn to play and know how to measure our rate of returns.
Your return calculation doesn’t accord to the math.
60,000 peds should serve to recycle 594,000 peds at a return rate of 90%.
Here a simulation,
https://i.servimg.com/u/f25/14/85/10/06/recicl10.jpg
Don’t forget that we should never spend more MU than we expect to get in the loot.
For example, If you buy rifles and armor with MU of 130% on average when you only expect to get a loot with MU of 106%. You will only lose money and you will never achieve a real 90% return.
On the other hand if your current bankroll does not allow you to hunt big mobs you should not do it because you will lose. You say the 60k was in 4 years. Thats may be associated with your poor performance. (litle runnings of huntings) Please think a litle about that. (Remember this: personal pool loot does not exist!)
[COLOR=rgb(247, 218, 100)]However, in my opinion we don’t need a 3.0 loot, we just need to study the game a little more.
Yes, the math does not add up, even with 70% return. My hunting should be ~90%+, or ~85%+, while my mining should be ~75%+ or ~70%+, given MU etc. It looks much lower with the reason being odd chance (?) given the present figures. Odd chance should not last this long in Entropia, should it? Previously, it did not. Let’s see.
And: paid in ~50k in 3 years, then paid in and spent ~66k (including a 16k ring) in 1 year !
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That’s some boring ass shit.
Some yall folks in here need to learn some math and read up on bankroll management. You want safety and not take any risks but want all the reward not realizing that it would also apply to everyone.. which means there is very little incentive for anything to be of value.
Additionally, some of you need to realize that Return % and ROI are two different calculations.
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General obvious facts do not help, it makes sense when you talk numbers here. I did, for example:
Yes, the math does not add up, even with 70% return. My hunting should be ~90%+, or ~85%+, while my mining should be ~75%+ or ~70%+, given MU etc. It looks much lower with the reason being odd chance (?) given the present figures. Odd chance should not last this long in Entropia, should it? Previously, it did not. Let’s see.
And: paid in ~50k in 3 years, then paid in and spent ~66k (including a 16k ring) in 1 year !