Hello guys (and gals!)!
As you might have noticed, the lending sytem is quite a popular choice for future development in PE. And Im thinking, it will certainly be used for making money if able to.
Like, say… they make it as the tradewindow is now, but with a timelimit on when the item will return to its owner.
Im thinking, what should you charge pr. hour on lending something out?
Because if the gun comes back to you it doesnt mean it in same state as when you lent it out.
:wise: Example:
I have a 2930ME. It decays 2 pec pr shot and have about 1sec reload. If I rent it out for say, 2 hours you wouldnt be able to shoot more then 3600 shots pr hour if your in a ring with autoclikcer… Less if your out hunting, say 3000 shots. 2 hours = around 6000 shots = 120.00 ped decay. And offcourse you should have some profit also so say 150.00 ped.
Easy really. Same goes for most items that uses clicks for decay.
:wise: But here comes the hard part.
If you rent out ARMOR on the other hand.. like a full set of shadow, and the one that rents keeps repairing it so it will protect fully. Then you wont be able to know ca. how much it will decay before you retrive it.
The same about faps. Unless he/she is going evadeskilling or something it wont be very likely that he/she will click the fap rapidly.
So what do you say guys? How to solve this problem? Im too fluffy to think tonight
[QUOTE=mjukis]
could simply freeze the tt value of the item on your ped card and transfer the decay to the owner if the item does not have the same tt when returned
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hmm sounds good! Just hope MA thinks of that aswell :dunce:
[QUOTE=Dirk]
If the system does not do it automatically, then just trade the current TT of the item when you loan it:
I loan you a gun, Tt is 50 ped, you give me 50 ped
You return the gun at TT 30 ped, I give you 30 ped
perhaps you repaired it, so you return it at 95 ped, so I give you 95 ped.
It does balance out, and it ensures that the decay is payed for by the correct person.
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well thats the way we do it now really, when I lend something out to friends..
But with lendingsystem.. say if the person is offline when the gun was supposed to be returned, it still gets drawn back at the time settled and ends up in the owners inventory.
Im thinking, you settle the rent before he runs off to hunt.
Say, you get a certain amount of money (or no money for friends..) and he gets the gun, and you put a timer on that tells when the pistol is going to be drawn back from that avatar to your own.
That way you can do rental business without really having to trust the other person, and the other person not having to trust you -only MindArk for making it go smooth and bug free.
If its implemented scamming free way then lending system itself should require that one who rents pays tt-value of item when renting (and renting fee). That way he can never make lender pay his decays. Also the item should be impossible to drop or trade after that and it would also return automatically in end of set lending time.
If you could trade it or drop it, ppl would rent stuff cheap and sell them for full price (no amount of warning tags or such would be enough for newbie buyers).
One thing with proper lending system is that it would affect PE like if amount of rarest items would be 10x or 100x larger. Soon almost anyone could get hold of uber fap for skilling. General skills/hunting efficience might raise and thus more powerful mobs would be needed etc…
Skam, right, I see what you mean, yeah it is a little confusing.
For me tho, if I want to know exactly how the lending system will work, I’ll read the VU List while the servers are down, and then a few hours later, I’ll experiement with it. Until that point, I dont much see the point in speculation.
We all want the lending system, including MA, so lets just see what the future holds.
[QUOTE=Essi]
One thing with proper lending system is that it would affect PE like if amount of rarest items would be 10x or 100x larger. Soon almost anyone could get hold of uber fap for skilling. General skills/hunting efficience might raise and thus more powerful mobs would be needed etc…
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ya but it would also make PE more balanced again
ya i know life aint fair but why not make PE an Utopia wheres things are actually fair ?
[QUOTE=Dirk]
Skam, right, I see what you mean, yeah it is a little confusing.
For me tho, if I want to know exactly how the lending system will work, I’ll read the VU List while the servers are down, and then a few hours later, I’ll experiement with it. Until that point, I dont much see the point in speculation.
We all want the lending system, including MA, so lets just see what the future holds.
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MA wants lending system? How do you know this?
As far as I know this something dreamed up by players I have never heard MA mention it even once?
If they do YEEHAA!
I cant help but specualte on the matter so I thought Id share my speculations sir Dirk :silly2:
I would think a lending system would be made (if ever) as a system where you can lend your items to friends without worrying about beeing scammed. Meaning you cant drop or trade item when you have lended it like essi said. If you remember the noob-jumpsuit wasnt dropable or tradeable earlier. I shouldnt be able to sell via terminal either.
One option is as mjukis said, to freeze the peds of decay on the ped card. But then again renting out some high end stuff with hiiigh tt like.. mod tegretov (just example) would be near impossile.
[QUOTE=Faustian]
MA wants lending system? How do you know this?
As far as I know this something dreamed up by players I have never heard MA mention it even once?
If they do YEEHAA!
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This is what they told me when I asked about it a few weeks ago
“We are still considering such options, but there are great disadvanges that comes with such a system.”
I’ve thought a bit about a lending system. I think MA could do it, might be tricky to work through all the glitches, but it could be done in the future.
I’ve also thought of an MA-run rental shop in one or towns that stocks high end items that would be available to any1 with ped enough to rent them on an hourly (or daily) basis… and there would be a limit on how often an item could be rented, or at least a waiting queue. This would eliminate any possible problems that a lending system might have between player to player.
just a thought anyway
[QUOTE=Svetlana]
I’ve thought a bit about a lending system. I think MA could do it, might be tricky to work through all the glitches, but it could be done in the future.
I’ve also thought of an MA-run rental shop in one or towns that stocks high end items that would be available to any1 with ped enough to rent them on an hourly (or daily) basis… and there would be a limit on how often an item could be rented, or at least a waiting queue. This would eliminate any possible problems that a lending system might have between player to player.
just a thought anyway
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Sounds good, but I would like most things to really work through the players
simply because it gives jobs to people!
[QUOTE=Svetlana]
I’ve thought a bit about a lending system. I think MA could do it, might be tricky to work through all the glitches, but it could be done in the future.
I’ve also thought of an MA-run rental shop in one or towns that stocks high end items that would be available to any1 with ped enough to rent them on an hourly (or daily) basis… and there would be a limit on how often an item could be rented, or at least a waiting queue. This would eliminate any possible problems that a lending system might have between player to player.
just a thought anyway
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I don’t like this idea I’m affraid.
Some of us have invested alot into this game, and the lending system will give us an opportuniy to make some of it back.
Plus it will give me an opportunity to allow my friends to use something for free if I wanted too.
YES I want to make money if I can, but if I don’t I’m not gonna cry about it
[QUOTE=Faustian]
I don’t like this idea I’m affraid.
Some of us have invested alot into this game, and the lending system will give us an opportuniy to make some of it back.
Plus it will give me an opportunity to allow my friends to use something for free if I wanted too.
YES I want to make money if I can, but if I don’t I’m not gonna cry about it
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[QUOTE=Faustian]
I don’t like this idea I’m affraid.
Some of us have invested alot into this game, and the lending system will give us an opportuniy to make some of it back.
Plus it will give me an opportunity to allow my friends to use something for free if I wanted too.
YES I want to make money if I can, but if I don’t I’m not gonna cry about it
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[QUOTE=Hally]
ya but it would also make PE more balanced again
ya i know life aint fair but why not make PE an Utopia wheres things are actually fair ?
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I cant really see it making things more balanced… more like making gap between uber and noob way bigger. And mod fap owners way richer.
If MA would make mobs faster and tougher to meet skill levels of powerskillers then it would easily lead to a situation where you are seriously disavantaged unless you powerskill too.
Im too fluffy to think tonight 
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