After all the upset with the new VU,about the axeissue,miningissue…It would be nice to know,if this Vu is turning into something nice afterall.
Ingame i see many hofs,globals,so i ask is it gettin better for the PE community? 
I ask that because i read in some thread one complaining about beeing the only one not globaling in this VU… 
PS: 
If there are too many with good experience,people who globaled -hofed,it would be easier to see who hasnt:)
Dude, its about overall balance.
I dont like the idea of having some really mega poor loot for 3-4 weeks straight just so we can fund some ATH melee weps or minining VU.
There are people like Strakkan and the rest of PAC who bust their ass all day working areas mining and then MA has a CL event and totally kills their profession :S
On one level I support MA by allowing people to have the opportunity that most only believed existed to the hardcore vets and thats getting an ATH. Now people will happily deposit thinking ‘that could have been me’ whilst some miner is extracting chips thinking ‘that should have been me’.
This is only week1 after VU with a CL event still going on. Similar things happened with 7.4 with loads of nice loot to people and then it stopped. You cant judge this VU until after MA has finished thier HOF Marketing campaign. Trust me, this will end as fast as it started. We can prolong it by nuking the planet and fill the mining pool. But will that fill all of our peds cards to stay interested?
Yea, I’ve had 3 globals one around 250 and I’m STILL way down from before this update. Its crap. They raped melee fighters so we could all watch 3K mining hofs so they can lure more people into one of the most expensive forms of game play.
Disappointed as my peds are draining fast. Can be sure I’m not depositing when there’s really nothing for me to fall back on that even lets me get close to breaking even.
I wasnt to happy with my hunting experience last nite…
“some big mining hof”
shot, shot, shot, shot, shot
“your mob is empty”
“some big mining hof”
shot, shot, shot, shot, shot
“some big mining hof”
shot, shot, shot, shot, shot
“some big mining hof”
“some big mining hof”
shot, shot, shot, shot, shot
“some big mining hof”
“your mob is empty”
shot, shot, shot, shot, shot
“some big mining hof”
“some big mining hof”
“your mob is empty”
“some big mining hof”
shot, shot, shot, shot, shot
“your mob is empty”
5ped
but after the hunt was over I didnt loose much at all :), I didnt make any profit and didnt global but was happy with the skills I gained
Overall I dont think the loot balance is too bad and I find players only moan about the size of ubers until they get one
my tip - play PE for fun and the nice loots will find you, play PE for hofs & profits, you wont have fun for long.
[QUOTE=Envictus]
Yea, I’ve had 3 globals one around 250 and I’m STILL way down from before this update. Its crap. They raped melee fighters so we could all watch 3K mining hofs so they can lure more people into one of the most expensive forms of game play.
Disappointed as my peds are draining fast. Can be sure I’m not depositing when there’s really nothing for me to fall back on that even lets me get close to breaking even.
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Mister Envictus, if u compare the loss for miners between VU 7.6 and VU 7.6.3 with the loss for melee fighters due to axe 1x0 situation, me being both miner and melee fighter (more mining then hunting tho), I can assure u that miners lost HUGE more.
A melee fighter using 12 axes needs about 2 hours to finish them, depending on mobs and hes skills. That is about 70-80 peds.
In 2 hours a miner can spend easily 2-300 peds on bombs and between VU 7.6 and Vu 7.6.3 miners spend ks of peds to understand the VU.
DON’T forget that, immediately after the VU 7.6, the hunting HoF table had daily 13-14 HoF’s larger than 1k.
If you would have more info, u would clearly see that the situation was exactly inverse. Before the VU was a consistently lootpool for miners (from the previous period). At the VU it literally vanished and turned into hunting HoFs.
Now, MA is making a mining event. Of course mining loot pool is larger now, I think that 70-80% of ppl online are mining. The hunting HoF, tho, is a reasonable level (don’t forget, before VU, we had many days with largest hunting HoF @ 400 peds).
I understand u maybe had bad days. I had them too. But try to keep a clear image.
Regards,
K
its been more than one day and I’d say losing more than you made in a period of a few days where you HAD over 350 peds in globals’s is a little screwed up.
I don’t think they should be doing this bullshit in either direction regardless of wether I’m a miner or a hunter.
All I did was convey what happened to me… how is that not a clear image?
ok, I lost in between Vu 7.6 and VU 7.6.3 about 4-500 peds (peds and items) coz i wanted to mine tho it was obviously things are not right.
so? my fault.
I don’t see why your trying to be so confrontational.
I’m not placing blame and in a way yes it is “your fault” just like its “my fault” if I continue hunting. Your trying to turn it into miners vs hunters or something and that’s not what I’m saying at all. These massive hofs are not going to last and Very slanted updates are good for no one in the long run. f you don’t believe that then I really don’t know what more I can say to you.
Your trying to relate your experience over a long period of time from the last update with my experience in the last 3 DAYS of a 400+ ped gross loss if you don’t count the globals (and we all know you cant ever count on globals.)
I’m bitching about my current hunting situation and you keep replying as if I’m bitching at you.
This is a difficult subject to comment on, so I will try to go through it very careful.
First of all BIG GRATZ to all uber hof’s these recent days. My congratulations are heartfelt and honest.
Now back to the subject of the many globals and hof’s vs. pre-VU loot in any profession.
A big part of this game are skills. Many of us hope and beleive that skills overall and in any specific area contribute to participating in PE in a more economical way. Also gathering information, analyzing different aspects and sharing results becomes part of “gameplay”.
Not to cast shadow on the recent uber hof’s, but the way MA has balanced loot during the past two weeks seems a bit too random and luck dependant.
The luck factor is great for PE since it at least opens up to the possibility of a n00b or mid-lvl participant to get his/her 15 minutes of fame.
However I need to see someone like strakkan or di Avlo (just to mention a few prominent miners, I know there are more good miners out there) to find an enormous something of alien origin or my beleive in skills as the x-factor for anything in PE are slowly crumbling.
I am saying this as a participant who has had his share of pure luck and not-too-bad loot during some time now. But to be honest, my skills within mining match exactly what I got during the “mining-event”: almost break even most of the time and a 145 ped hof.
If an ATH went my way I wouldn’t be disappointed but it would not match the effort I have put into mining so far.
Ok, from someone who has had an Uber Hof not too long ago pre VU7.6, I can say I enjoyed every minute of it, and I don’t take away the sheer enjoyment from anyone who has gotten one.
The issue I have with each VU lately, since February, since that is as long as I’ve been playing, so I can’t comment on any VU’s before then, is with regards to the fake and false Hoffing/Globalling that is going on right after the VU has been released. Ok, people might think they are not fake, why are people getting them. They are getting them, because the loot was dried up before the VU release.
In my mind this is what I would class as False Advertising, because this was not the case before the VU was released, as the Loot in both Mining and Hunting had dropped off dramatically it would seem, to pay for these uber hofs going on, it now gets people thinking this could be happening all the time.
Personally, I think that is a very bad marketing ploy, because it brings people into the game thinking, wow, look at all these Uber Hofs. Awesome. I’m going to deposit, build up my character, spend loads of money on mining and hunting just so I can get one. It must be easy, there are so many.
Wrong.
It’s bloody hard to get one, and mine, which was in a team hunt, was sheer luck.
People will be thinking there are 15-30 Uber Hofs a day, which is also false, because we are lucky to get 1-2 a day across the board.
I think MA needs to stopped this false marketing ploy, because in all intense and purposes, trading standards, would have a field day on this type of advertising in game, if it was spread throughout the corporate world with Real Life Advertising.
Ok, I know it’s a game, and this is in no way meant to be slanderess, or saying anything bad about MA, just my thoughts on why I think this needs to be stopped.
If people come into this game, spend a stack load of money, and all they see is no loot or no ores/enmatter etc, they will get very cheesed off, and word of mouth spreads very fast in the online community.
So, MA, I hope you know what you are doing, and the above scenario doesn’t occur, but that everything gets better for everyone all around.
[QUOTE=Kerham]
so, mister, how about loot which is so and so and u can’t make profit and huh? :dunce:
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This dint belong in the other thread so I’m responding here.
That HOF was luck… and really it means my story ended well, but does that mean they have balanced the economy?
I have No idea… becasue this miniupdate is brand new.
You can’t say this looks right taking into account the number of people who hunt compared to the number of poeple who mine. (both screenshots were just taken)
https://www.planetcalypsoforum.com/gallery/files/1/2/4/6/1stHOF4_thumb.jpg[size=1][br]Click to enlarge[/br][/size]
I’m by no means saying miners shouldn’t be able to kick ass and take names, but this rapid shift seems a little odd.
do you have any idea how many ppl are mining over this meteor histerya? At least 4 times more than used to be. I base this affirmation on the number of miners I encounter. so why this proportion shouldn’t stay in HoF table also?
go to amethera and u’ll find a busy aglomered continent, which never been. ghost places, like treasure island, are full of miners.
this is what i am trying to say. i fully understand what u say, i felt EXACTLY the same when were 5 (five) hunting hof > 3k and the BIGGEST mining HoF was 175 peds.
regards,
K
Please dont try to say there are more miners than hunters becasue thats just not true.
All I’m saying is that there shoud be a balance. Just forget it. I’m done going back and forth with you when we dont even really disagree. Its annoying.
[QUOTE=Envictus]
Please dont try to say there are more miners than hunters becasue thats just not true.
All I’m saying is that there shoud be a balance. Just forget it. I’m done going back and forth with you when we dont even really disagree. Its annoying.
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I just have a question here and please don’t take it as me being rude.
I’m not a full-time hunter. I do it 40% of the time. The others are crafting and mineing.
Since I have been playing in Feburary I have seen many hunting HoF’s but no really big hunting HoF. Now the number of mega-ubber (3k+) HoF in mining is almost discouraging. With that I would almost still say the values of the HoF are right. I mean what about the 25k Ped fromthe Atrox? The supremecy armor? The Thorifloid and the big axe?
When someone mines they don’t get anything elese but the material. No guns, armor, no garnet-nothing.
It does kinda get too me that I’m trying to mine too and I get a couple of globals then you see some people getting many globals anf hofs in a 4-5 hour period. But I don’t think this will last long.
This game is very dynamic, and keeping the balance is hard. So when you try to bring one side up the other might not like it but it needs to be done.
You bring up some very valid points and my first post in this thread was ME being rude by using such harsh terms to describe my opinion becasue I was not at all liking the average loot trend for hunting, its true miners have gotten the short end of the stick in the past. The way to correct it would be to shift the overall balance of mining loots to a higher level, not an unsustainable HOF fest. I feel the same way about hunting. There are some that would disagree and say it should be more casino-like but IMO that’s not sustainable in the environment of an MMORPG but I could be completely wrong.
