Can you suggest this easy fix for AG refiner to the team:
Change decay to whatever Value you think is fair (1 Valuechange in the database)
Activate BP terminal again on NI (1 valuechange from 0 to 1 )
Give 1 Months period to refund AG refiners via support if you want for Ntokkens
This makes sure to whatever value you change the refiner all even the ones who bought it can get something with the Ntokens that at least has temporary value. If it’s ok value people will keep it if not there is a way out of this hostage situation.
Might be a good option for some. Others like me haven’t completed the requirements to use the vendor so those tokens would be worthless. I paid for a service of another player’s time and effort. This would not make me whole. The best option is for them to fix it in line with the best refiner like the devs stated and remove it from the vendor if they don’t want more in game
I agree that we should get what we were said we get . But since value change won’t happen at this point I guess, I think something like this would be benefitial. The value of refunding it makes ntokens part time tradable. The vendor that get activated is the one holding reaper VI, anti grav bps ect. This one is open to all, without requirements. But I get your point, while I agree I think this dataentryvalue change would have been done by now if there is any intention on doing it. I am afraid that they change it to something that was not promissed, don’t refund it and let us stuck with a refiner similar to imperium b1 and say it is fixed.
You cannot put in a vendor a refiner that you can farm in a couple of weeks which is in line with the best refiner in the game (mod refiner) and for which you need a very low cycle.
Promising that was a mistake, which, was caught much later then it should have been, but it was caught and corrected.
You would say mediocre level of common sense and brain would understand an accept this already after a couple of years…
Wild promises like that is what erroded the community’s trust in MA’s over the years and most of the times these promises were made bypassing any balancing and they should stay away from those and probably also the reason why said dev was booted.
A promise like “you will have one of the best items in game with huge impact to the eonomy and you will only have to cycle few hundred / couple k ped and 2 weeks” is obviously BS, how can you guys not see it?? How can the fix for such BS actually be the BS itself??
If it works like Imperium Resorce Refiner B1, it’s actually a great fix, that’s where it belongs, good idea.
The AG Refiner was introduced with the big Ancient Greece update in April 2025, together with the new “Nots” currency and reward terminals. The AG Refiner cost 1,000 Nots.
The important part is that during the release of this content, the NI dev communication was that the AG Refiner was supposed to be in line with the best refiner in the game, generally understood to mean the Chikara Refiner, Modified.
Players therefore spent a considerable amount of time farming the currency, and in some cases paid other players thousands of PED for the required tokens/work, based on the expected stats.
When the refiner was actually obtained, its decay was around 13 PED per use. There are reports of it costing roughly 13 PED just to refine 30 PED of Lysterium. So instead of being comparable to the Modified Refiner, it was effectively unusable.
This has been outstanding since around April 2025. Players have repeatedly asked for its decay to be corrected to what was originally communicated.
What we don’t currently have is the original Circe quote stating the exact intended decay. There are several later posts referring back to the dev statement that it should match the best refiner, but the original communication may have been on NI Discord rather than the forum. Not that a Circe quote would represent a signed contract between MA and the community…
For a True Islander / NI-born avatar, the maximum is 75 Nots per day, from 15 Nots per daily x 5 dailies.
So: 75 Nots/day
1,000 / 75 = 13.33 days
Meaning the 1,000-Not AG Refiner can be reached on the 14th set of dailies, basically two weeks.
Give or take then, I used a true islander as example, might have been a litle bit wrng with the dailies math, but it’s very close to that anyway.
The refiner should be fixed, there is no doubt about that. As should be fixed the movement speed tattoo, as should all other items with buffs, but in no way a mod refiner can enter the game every 2 weeks from a single player with such low cycle too. But it should definitely be fixed! Yesterday!
If you ask me the decay should be a little below adj refiner to reflect the cycle and the time required to produce one.
It’s not a couple weeks Eve says that because only he is entitled to what’s promised and the rest of us must eat shit. Not everyone is NI born, come to think of it I can’t think of a single one on my FL. That comparison is to downplay how bad the rest of us are getting screwed.
It’s only a couple of people who can’t see past their pockets and comprehend how messed up woud be to have those refiners as modified refiners obtainable within 2 or 3 weeks with very low cost.
Same deal. Let’s nerf your 2 stable guns and shit on what you paid for. Sounds fair right? Those guns do more damage to an economy than a few pecs miners save from refining resources. If you accept a nerf or getting that promise revoked then so will I.
I already said if they fucked up then grandfather what’s out and delete the vendor item. Not everyone is born on NI and it takes like 180 days or something to be VIP which is 6 months of potential cycle on NI but you fail to mention that.
You keep playing this card to shit on my weapons but you still don’t get a stable requires a few million peds cycles and takes the strongest avatars many months of continuous grind, feeding the local economy and also the planet.
I’m not worried about what you accept or not, it is what it is.
We don’t even know if this ‘refiner promise’ is an actual thing or someone made it up to pump up their pockets. The only time player knows stats of an item is after they generate it in game and decay tested. Maybe you lie to us because someone lied to you… who knows…
I’m not lying to anyone. The principal remains that your money and mine should be treated equally as we are both customers here. If McDonald’s screws up my lunch and I go back through they will make it right. You shouldn’t be against other customers but instead with us and request that things be made right. The expectation is the obligations be met with what customers are paying for.
I do request things to be made right, I agree with patrikan, people should be getting the tokens back, from suport, if after the fix they don’t like the fixed decay.
I disagree with MA giving you a mod refiner, that would be wrong. MA never said they would add mod refiner for 2-3 weeks small dailies. It was overheard and you put money on that hearsay. That’s on you, that’s not a paying customer, but rather a bad customer trying to buy best product for pennies…
@Evey Some of your information is correct, some is incorrect and some incomplete. I just gonna put out some facts here for you to consider. Since your post influences people like @buckshoot. As well I generally respect you. What I really direspect is, making incorrect statments without knowledge about things, and it’s a point where I take the time to really try to explain it so you get where I come from.
You can’t farm it in a couple weeks it’s more months. First off you need all VIP missions done on NI, and you need to have done 137 dailies to aquire the acces to pull the refiner. This is similar to me saying you can farm xenobiology for free when you skillfarm on fleshrippers, nope you need to do the whole VIP part first that you just skipped.
I agree with you here fully. I just want to add: There was a quote from nana on discord that it should be fixed and the issue was a ped and pec issues, this statement was months later and if you took the 0.013 ped to 0.013 pec, you see you get to a mod refiner. So Nana reinforced that thinking with his quote (not sure if it’s deleted but I remember the post). He also typed months ago that it should be fixed with the next update. The Problem is this thinking that it is comparable was reinforced also after NI devs where gone by official sources. BTW if you take the value of chikara refiner adjusted when it came out, look where an AG refiner would be when it comes out compared with Ntoken prices and tattoo as a refrence you literally end around the same price.
This is also only half true and what upsets me the most. They changed the value from 13 ped to 3 ped back to 13 ped and now to 26.5 ped. They doubled the decay of my item months later and don’t let me refund it. I genreally take an issue in that after they deleted my reckoning without communication and a lot of effort on my part to just get it refunded. Hence my question: How would you feel if an item that you own no matter the price just generally gets it’s decay dobuled without any patchnotes and you are not able to refund it or complain about it.
Where you get this math from? It’s just factually wrong! Alltough I am only an epcis islander and not NI born and can’t aquire it. There is not a singel Daily on NI that gives you 15 nots per daily. Those kind of missrepresentation and spreading of wrong facts I think is really damaging for people to understand the full picture @Evey are you actually an SVIP on NI and did you do the dailies and know what you talk about? The highest ammount of Ntokens you get is for Zeuskills and it is 4. Where you source your information from , Rumors?
"This would be the same as me putting out there that you can abuse the fishing hat if you know some shit about crafting, and that it got cornered by a few people and it is so profitable now that nana sells his sword. " → This is an opignon but simply by stating it I create rumor. This is the same you do for AG refiner and those NI quests. Unless there is an abuse going on wich I don’t know about i never ever heard of anybody getting 15 nokkens per day and that are 5 dailies for that. Just give me the source and prove please! I can’t prove a false negative
My general opignon: I said at the start MA should put it to whatever value that is corret. I generally dissagree tough that it should be around a 10 ped item like B1 refiner, as well I still don’t get this quote:
“you will have one of the best items in game with huge impact to the eonomy and you will only have to cycle few hundred / couple k ped and 2 weeks”
-How does it effect the economy, besides devaluing existing refiners. Everybody that had an UL weapon got effected by this change, when ARIS, Exceptional Weapons and Stable mission released. Its a normal thing honestly? Or what exactly it affects that is bad for the players ? Really happy to hear 1 argument ?
From where I stand
MA looses out on decay, wich hurts them true because they introduced fishing to make a lot of decay.
Refining gets cheaper for everyone so generally it profits all not just few ubers who got the hand on Chikara and profit of all ingame as people do atm with the fishing hat ( wich is a completly diffrent topic)
Some people who have the refiner monopoly get it devalued, happened to all UL weapons and happens all the time.
Really happy to hear where the problem is in having that refiner accesible for everyone?
