Calling all Mentors - Bring sweat price down.

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Calling all Players - Bring sweat price down.

The crazy sweat prices are killing us. We have to do something radical.

The only way we as players can do anything to bring the prices down, is to help the newbies get more sweat, and get it quicker. More sweat in the market would drive the price down.

My suggestion is as follows.

If we as mentors can put together teams of 10 sweaters(disciples), 1 hunter(mentor-with focus chip), and 1 fapper(also a mentor possibly with adj/imp/mod fap?) and take these guys out and help them sweat a big mobā€¦ Iā€™m talking 3T Atrox landā€¦ or somewhere similar.

The requirements of the place would be that the mobs be big (lots of sweat) and do not kill in 1 hit, and it must be pretty close to a revival.
The group would have to be very disciplined in surrounding the mob so it cannot get away and attack the hunter.

Step 1: Hunter clears area of all but 1 mob.
Step 2: Sweaters run up to the mob and surround itā€¦ start sweating. Hunter gives focus charges to sweaters while theyā€™re sweating. (Someone who needs to skill mindforce??)
Step 3: Fapper runs around fapping people when they get hit. In this case, the mob normally hits someone about 3 times, and then moves on. (The fapper in question could possibly be someone who needs to skill fap???)
Hunter runs around killing off potential threats.
Step 4: Mob is dry, hunter kills itā€¦ and go back to step 1.

Scenario 2 needs just 1 more uber player to be the hunter and the fapper.

1.Hunter/Fapper clears area except for 1 mobā€¦
2.Tags mob with D1.
3. Sweaters surround mob and sweat while the hunter/fapper just keeps on fapping himself. This is giving him evade etc. skills while fapping, similar to how the ubers used to skill anyway. If the mob aggroā€™s on one of the sweatersā€¦ he tags it again a few times with an amped mann mph, and starts fapping again.

That is just the ideaā€¦

Maybe this thread could be a place where people of various disciplines could meet up to make this happen??

So what we need is hunters, mentors, noobie sweaters and a fapper.

I know only the uberest players have adj/mod/imp faps, but the other faps are just too expensive to use, so I am asking nicely if you could do your bit and give to charity.

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Hmmm would need to be something bigger than a Trox young/matureā€¦

And would the hunterā€™s cost not be a bit high considering theyā€™d just be losing out so that a n00b can sell their sweat cheaper?

I wouldnā€™t help a n00b out like this. If they cant help out in the game financially at some point then imo they arent worth the bother..

Iā€™ve helped out way too many n00bs and gave them my cash/weapons/armour only to have the little shits quit the game the very next week.

My days of helping non-depositing n00bs are overā€¦ MF is just a pile of shit. Until MindArk can sort out a way for players to get sweat without paying n00bs an outright fortune, I shall not be using it.

Itā€™s a good idea Mighty, but my patience has ran out with n00bs these days. Hope it works out for you

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Hunter gets the loot on the mobs when he kills them. If heā€™s doing focus chargesā€¦ then he needs to be paid for it. Same with the fapper, he could be paid in sweat perhapsā€¦

Iā€™m not saying it needs to be done for freeā€¦ Iā€™m saying it needs to be organized.

I was thinking Trox oldsā€¦ something that does about 60-70 dmgā€¦
Anything bigger and the fapper would not be able to protect anyoneā€¦

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sigh not to sound concieted, but im probably in the top .01% as far as graduation rates are consideredā€¦ and NO, i dont creat other avatars to do itā€¦

the sort of menotr youre speaking of would have to be a damned good leader, to organize that many of his disicples for an event like that. but the mere suggestion is something of an oxymoron in that (a) no good mentor has that many disicples or (b) if he did, hed have swaggered it so theyd almost NEVER be on at the same times.
no good mentor can possibly spend all the man-hours it takes to offer proper mentorship to physically THAT MANY at one time.
so, what youd have to do is recruit them straight out of ZC or CPā€¦ and the probability of that alone throws the whole idea out the window.

as far as the MFerā€¦ there are alot of skillers who would do this for free, i dont think you need to worry about that.

as for fappers, i could get you a very good one for a medial cost.. a few peds + decay.

heres an idea i see far more probable:
10 EF members (im not discluding myself from this) all create secondary avatars.
we all contact each other, via EF, and organize such an ingame meet zoneā€¦
we have the afore-mentioned help meet us there.
the sweat is split however among all those who assist (which would imply we also not pay anyone in cash)ā€¦

now, to punch holes in my own idea:

  1. the venture the both of us are describing, mighty, would take FAR more than one trip to generate even low amounts of sweat lolā€¦
  2. the sorts of people who might do that in the first place MIGHT be deterred simply by the fact that its long and arduous.. as previously stated.
  3. anyone who would put this sort of effort into any such thing, i think, will have already created a secondary avatar to gather sweatā€¦ and so, willnot bother with this rigamarole.

but, the biggest problem of all isnt even the eventā€¦
its lowering the price of sweat.

so why dont we, some of the more mature and caring members of the PE community, instead pool our money, buy out a ****load of sweat, and resell it all to those who need it at 1 pec eachā€¦
there would have to be alot of propaganda inbetween.

so heres an idea:
next vu rolls aroundā€¦
all of the sudden, everyone buying sweat at 1 pec eachā€¦ explanation: the new VU has lowered the price of sweat. how do we do this?
get 10-20 people planted in places like PA, CP, and ZC, spamming for a LONG time that theyre buying at these new prices.
mentors begin telling their disicples the new sweat prices have droppedā€¦
those who befriend n00bs can do the sameā€¦
either the resellers will wear down, and sell what they have at reduced ratesā€¦ or they will shove it in storage and pray.
either way, its off the open market, and thats what we wantā€¦
annnndddā€¦ i just lost my train of thoughtā€¦
crap :rolleyes:

anywaysā€¦ its ALOT of workā€¦ would take ALOT of cooperation from vets ingameā€¦
and most of allā€¦ until the prices begin to drop significantly, there has to be a near complete boycott of sweat.
lolā€¦ this may be an economic venture of epic proportions :smiley:

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The sweating system is as it isā€¦

What this would be doing is removing the kill stealers, the deaths, the not being able to find mobs and all those annoying little distractions that stop people sweating.

I donā€™t know if anyoneā€™s noticed, but sweating at Camp Phoenix has pretty much ground to a halt. I know MA could fix this quite easily, by allowing trapped mobs to give sweatā€¦ to allow sweaters to sweat without the mobs attacking them and by increasing the amount of sweat given tenfoldā€¦ (ie sweat and get 50 bottles per successful gather)ā€¦

But it seems MA is not willing to do this, and so its left to us the players to do what we can to fix this.

Obviously a lot of players already have second avatarsā€¦ and they could use themā€¦ another thing is that this wouldnā€™t all be 1 mentorā€™s disciplesā€¦ perhaps 1 or 2 or 3ā€¦ but just get people doing itā€¦

People are very difficult to manageā€¦and in a game situation like this its even worseā€¦

Calling out a leader, who has the charisma and pulling power to keep people committed to a causeā€¦ someone everyone flocks to.

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[QUOTE=ultimababe]
Hmmm would need to be something bigger than a Trox young/matureā€¦

And would the hunterā€™s cost not be a bit high considering theyā€™d just be losing out so that a n00b can sell their sweat cheaper?

I wouldnā€™t help a n00b out like this. If they cant help out in the game financially at some point then imo they arent worth the bother..

Iā€™ve helped out way too many n00bs and gave them my cash/weapons/armour only to have the little shits quit the game the very next week.

My days of helping non-depositing n00bs are overā€¦ MF is just a pile of shit. Until MindArk can sort out a way for players to get sweat without paying n00bs an outright fortune, I shall not be using it.

Itā€™s a good idea Mighty, but my patience has ran out with n00bs these days. Hope it works out for you
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Im concerned that you feel this way Ulti.
I agree that giving noobs money and guns and ammo etc. only for them to quit a week later is a problem, and Iā€™m not too sure how MA can deal with this. Perhaps if theyā€™re not online for 3 months, then all their inventory should revert back to their mentorā€¦ anywaysā€¦ thats not what I wanted to talk aboutā€¦

Letting the noobs start with nothing, and not being able to do anything without depositing is a bit harsh. Not only thatā€¦ how many people are actually going to bother staying in the game if they donā€™t get at least a bit of a chance to experience it without depositing.

Think back to your first week in the gameā€¦ did you deposit straight away?
I know I didnā€™tā€¦ I ran around picking up old bombs and probes, and then started sweatingā€¦ got myself some friends etc. before I decided it was worth depositing. If that wasnā€™t there when I startedā€¦ I would never have even joining in the first placeā€¦ and Iā€™m not some noob-non-depositorā€¦

So think about that a littleā€¦ perhaps theres no good solution, but banning people from playing unless they deposit is not the answer.

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[QUOTE=The Mighty]
Think back to your first week in the gameā€¦ did you deposit straight away?
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Yes I didā€¦ I never went out to sweat and I never had a mentor.

First week (2nd day actuallyā€¦ or was it later in the first night? Cant remember now).. I deposited my first $20USD. We bought armour, fap and a gun and off we went.

I think it should be a requirement to make an initial deposit ingame to start out, then afterwards you dont need to make anymore if you dont wishā€¦ OR MindArk should give newbies ā€œdummy moneyā€ which would last for 1 weekā€¦ this would entitle them to get items from TT (no private trades may be made during this period) and at the end of the week all the items and money would get revoked from the newbie playerā€™s inventory. Simpleā€¦ they then get a taste for the game but dont get the chance to rip the piss out of people

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[QUOTE=Cade]

So why dont we, some of the more mature and caring members of the PE community, instead pool our money, buy out a ****load of sweat, and resell it all to those who need it at 1 pec eachā€¦
there would have to be alot of propaganda inbetween.

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I doubt that will workā€¦ It would require lots of money for one. The question is whether you can find enough righteous souls who would do that to help out others.

The second issue I see with this is a moral one. Basically we steal from the noobies. If youā€™d come into the game, and found out you could sweat, say, 1.5k bottles of sweat maximum. At this moment, those would sell for 3.5 pec each, or 52.5 ped. Do keep in mind this is FIVE USD.

ORRRRR, you manage to get 1.5k bottles worth 1 pec each. 15 PED. One point 5 dollars.

If, when I entered PE for the first time, was told that all my hours of hard work sweating would yield me a whopping dollar and a half, Iā€™d have flipped MA the bird and left straight away. More so if I would ave discovered everything else costs money.

I think itā€™s up to MA to fix this. They pay nothing for the nooblars anyway. We, the players, are the ones already supporting them, because we are paying 3.5 pec for something with a TT of 0. We are also the ones taking the time to ensure the noobies stay in the game. Heck, the players also do the advertising (Deathifier buying the island).

Iā€™d say itā€™s MAā€™s turnā€¦ Discuss?

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[QUOTE=ultimababe]

I think it should be a requirement to make an initial deposit ingame to start out, then afterwards you dont need to make anymore if you dont wishā€¦ OR MindArk should give newbies ā€œdummy moneyā€ which would last for 1 weekā€¦ this would entitle them to get items from TT (no private trades may be made during this period) and at the end of the week all the items and money would get revoked from the newbie playerā€™s inventory. Simpleā€¦ they then get a taste for the game but dont get the chance to rip the piss out of people
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I foresee trouble with that as well, frankly. Who says that should this be the case, all of those noobies wouldnā€™t global, and thus be tricked into thinking itā€™s piss easy to make money in this game? Plus thereā€™d have to become two lootpools. One with real money, and one with dummy money. Think of the extra lag :frowning:

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Well obviously there would be alot that newbies wouldnt be eligible for.. it would be a trial run at the game with dummy money to only use in TT.

Use your imagination folksā€¦ Iā€™m sure most of you can see what Iā€™m getting at here.

I know The Mighty has expressed great concern at my thoughts but Iā€™m not entirely sure as to why.

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SOLUTION!!!

Had a brain stormā€¦ How about this? N00bs wanna sell sweat for outrageous prices?? FINE! Then we start to sell goblin/Pixie/Jester D-1s etc for crazy prices to them too :wise:

How about that? Letā€™s turn the tables on them and weā€™ll see whoā€™s crying then!

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The Mighty and others, let me point you all to this topic :wise: :

https://www.planetcalypsoforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=5274

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[QUOTE=ultimababe]
Hmmm would need to be something bigger than a Trox young/matureā€¦

And would the hunterā€™s cost not be a bit high considering theyā€™d just be losing out so that a n00b can sell their sweat cheaper?

I wouldnā€™t help a n00b out like this. If they cant help out in the game financially at some point then imo they arent worth the bother..

Iā€™ve helped out way too many n00bs and gave them my cash/weapons/armour only to have the little shits quit the game the very next week.

My days of helping non-depositing n00bs are overā€¦ MF is just a pile of shit. Until MindArk can sort out a way for players to get sweat without paying n00bs an outright fortune, I shall not be using it.

Itā€™s a good idea Mighty, but my patience has ran out with n00bs these days. Hope it works out for you
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exactly the way I feel! used to help all n00bs them out now they just take the pissā€¦

n00b - ā€œcan you give me something to sellā€
me - ā€œyep hereā€™s a 8 ped ep17, a 6 ped fap 5 and some basic pants and shirtā€ n00b - ā€œok what else can u give meā€

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viagraā€¦
you havent been around too longā€¦ sweat prices used to be around .5 pecs-1 lolā€¦ the idea that WED be stealing from THEM by lowering sweat prices forcefully is rediculousā€¦

youre saying that a n00b, who insists on a free outlook on an expensive form of entertainment, because they refuse to pay, deserves that money more than i do-- because im paying THAT SAME ā€œ5 DOLLARSā€ versus THAT SAME ā€œ1.5 DOLLARSā€

sweat prices dont rise for the sake of the n00bsā€¦ it rises to inflate MA economy, if it worked for the n00bs then you would be seeing people with their FIRST sweat avatar (as opposed to their EIGHTH) running around collecting sweat.

there are no fewer ojā€™s now than there were back when it was 1 pec each.
so dont try to say that im stealing from a n00bā€¦ when not only do i pay the exact same for their demands that theyd pay for mine, but i actually worked for years to accumulate mine.
and why the hell are you comparing PEDS to USD when youre talking about a nondepositor?! you just said that you can hit sweat cap at about 50 peds in sweatā€¦ well, 80% of those nondepositors in orange live in first world countriesā€“they can damn well go out and be responsible and WORK for a short whileā€¦ because it doesnt take long to accumulate that 5 usd from any job in a first world country.

as for the monetary viewpointā€¦ ILL bite the cost, i dont care.
the inflation rates on this crap is rediculous, by the time its done MA will be pulling stunts on the MF system just like they have with hunting and craftingā€¦ thats not a direction ANYONE wants this to go in.
because if I pay for the difference, that means that all the vets out there who use MF are going to be buying ME at a few hundred % LOWER than they are nowā€¦ and that would mean the world to me.
MA put such a huge part of the PE economy in the hands of n00bsā€¦
if thats supposed to be a good thing, why dont we hire alan greenspans 4-year-old son to do the work?

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[QUOTE=Cade]
the idea that WED be stealing from THEM by lowering sweat prices forcefully is rediculousā€¦

youre saying that a n00b, who insists on a free outlook on an expensive form of entertainment, because they refuse to pay, deserves that money more than i do-- because im paying THAT SAME ā€œ5 DOLLARSā€ versus THAT SAME ā€œ1.5 DOLLARSā€

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Perhaps I worded myself wrongā€¦ I agree that I have not been around long enough, but I do know that sweating nowadays is heaps harder than it used to. The noobies did not decide to make it harder. MA did. Why should WE pump more money into something THEY messed up? If Shell inflates their oil prices, are you buying up oil reserves so everybody can drive again at normal rates, or do you tell Shell to get their business together? :wink: (granted. Thatā€™s rather simplified, but works in a way as a comparison, I think).

I agree that there are probably lots of dickheads running around in PE insisting on free stuff. The solution is simple: Donā€™t give them anything, and theyā€™ll go away. I more point to the honest hard-working noobie who IS willing to sweat and deposit later on.

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Its not the n00bs fault that the prices are this high. Its the price of the demand and the wilingness to pay. Not the n00bs have determinated the prices, but the buyer and reseller. I was once in a deal for a hughe amount of sweat as the price was just. 1.7 PEC per bottle, I needed to buy with my partner 40k sweat per week. To achieve such a big quantity, you need to offer better prices than the rest, so we offered 1.8 PEC /bottle, after some time someone else offered 1.9 PEC/ and it was a run till 2.4 after which we wouldnt have any profit.

the n00bs werent charging the 2.4, but we gave them to them. soon after it the price dropped, but just to 2.0 and it never went lower again. So I actually can imagine that the price fight is still big, and that some bigger MF user or suplier are in need of hughe amounts of sweat. but the sweater can only gain up to max. 6k sweat till the caps is reached. and you gather aprox 100 Sweat in half of an hour, when it is some good sweating.

there arent just enough organised places for sweater, sweat farms etcā€¦
the only 3 places I know about are, phoenix, N of Zychion, and NE of Zychion, the best place IMO.

If there would be more places for easy sweating, than would the supply be bigger, and there wouldnt even be a reason for any price fight.

Just My 2 PECā€¦

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As I said in another post recently, sweating is NOT difficult if you combine it with axe skilling. Sweat a low-end mob till it attacks you and then kill it with the axe.

I have a new disciple who has been using this system. She plays an hour or so a day (which is one or two axes worth). In her first week she has sweated around 1700 bottles and got her axe skill up above 400. She has also (so she tells me) only died once in that time. I ā€˜sponsoredā€™ her with an axe, a Mann and an almost empty fap-5.

But the simple answer for lower sweat prices is simply for MA to provide more sweat per attempt / better chance of successful attempt. Then even though the price drops the noobs still get the same income (as they have more to sell), MF users are happy because MF is cheaper, miners are happy because Nexus sells better, and even MA are happy because they get more decay from the MF usage! Everybody wins!

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[QUOTE=Ragna Rock]
Its not the n00bs fault that the prices are this high. Its the price of the demand and the wilingness to pay. Not the n00bs have determinated the prices, but the buyer and reseller.
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I agree :slight_smile:

I guess because there itā€™s alot harder to gather sweat nowadays, the prices have rised.
The only sollution imo would be to make it easier to gather sweat again, or to develop better techniques (see here), so that mentors can teach it to there disciples.

Iā€™m sorry but i really donā€™t agree, especially the thingie about beeing forced to make an initial deposit.
Iā€™m pretty confident that alot of people that play and deposit nowadays would never have started if there was an initial fee.
It took me about 3 months before i deposited my first peds.

It would just destroy the total concept of this game.

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[QUOTE=Einstein]
Iā€™m sorry but i really donā€™t agree, especially the thingie about beeing forced to make an initial deposit.
Iā€™m pretty confident that alot of people that play and deposit nowadays would never have started if there was an initial fee.
It took me about 3 months before i deposited my first peds.

It would just destroy the total concept of this game.
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Yepā€¦ but what about that

[QUOTE=ultimababe]
OR MindArk should give newbies ā€œdummy moneyā€ which would last for 1 weekā€¦ this would entitle them to get items from TT (no private trades may be made during this period) and at the end of the week all the items and money would get revoked from the newbie playerā€™s inventory.
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Anywayā€¦ itā€™s not my concern. I have already said I will not be using MF anymore.

I will however be selling my good to n00bs at outrageous prices.. :slight_smile:

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I want sweating removed completely and will lobby for it.I dont want any freeloaders sucking up cash from useful people who deposit.Add 1-3sweats in every mob loot (cept robots,duuh) instead

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